Clothcrafting

[soyama]

Originally posted by Sinzer
To get from 5-8, synth cotton capes.

The cheapest way to do it, is hunt bees and Yags for wind crystals, crawlers and rarabs for earth, then goblin fishers for lightening. Then hunt Yags for Beads to turn into grass thread/cloth.

Make capes which are 1 earth and 1 thread and 1 cloth. Then use lightening to break them back into grass thread and rinse repeat, both processes will give you cloth skill.

Sounds nice, but wont work. sorry man.
not for me atleast, im level 6 cloth.
when i try breaking the cape apart again, it fails 11/12 times. so no the best way
but capes work good.
they wont sell to anyone but npc, and ah(unicorn) gives you 100gil pr cape. while npc gives you 91, thats with low fame.

cape is also 1x Earth crystal, 2X grass cloth, 1x grass thread

[Sinzer]

You tryin to break them down with synth support?

To desynth you definately need support as the desynth is usually a few levels above the synth.

I have used this method for quite a while

Sorry on the recipe I was posting from work

[soyama]

yes, i use the 30gil support
still fails alot!
i know its because desynth has higher requirements, but just giving out a warning to others, if you use mogenhancements for desynth it might help. i wouldnt know yet.

[Sinzer]

Yeah it is a bit hit and miss.... I usually try to desynth on dark days.

Still I usually don't make any money on selling the items and when you get to items like Heko Obi's, it is actually more cost effective to lose 6-7 of them and just get one desynth of 7-9 cotton thread. And if you are lucky you will get a skill increase

[pdac]

Nanila, sorry to hear that materials are costing so much on your server. We had the same problem on mine, but prices have been *slowly* dropping for those nice materials used in the higher level clothcraft. I'm looking forward to reaching that level, but its going to take a while (at least I have a massive chunk of gil to fund it). Do you have suggestions for levelling in the various skill blocks? I'm always looking for good (and useful) recipes.

So far, I'm at cloth level 11 after passing the first test. I wasn't quite sure what to use at first, but I started with yagudo bead necklaces and making thread. I levelled to 3 on that I think, then started turning my thread into cloth. Got me to 5 or 6, but stopped getting me a gain then. I spammed capes until 8, and hachimaki (with 3 +1's) to mid-9. Once I got to 9 and took the test, I started making some other odd items. Vagabonds hose were fun, but little to no skill gain. I did make some vagabonds tunica, with a few Nomad's coming out of it, but they were too expensive. Then I hit a simple recipe that started raising my skill again: Kenpogi. Use earth + 1 grass thread and 3 grass cloth. Worked great, sells decently on my bazaar (I leave it on overnight) and has started me levelling again, now at 11. You can sometimes make it without support, but I suggest having it.

Some people say try making darts at level 11, but I haven't bothered as there hasn't been much gain and getting the animal glue if it isn't in the AH can be a cast iron b!tch. If you are soloing at lower levels to farm, I suggest making some vagabonds gear (hose, tunic and maybe gloves if you can hack it) so you can set an /equip macro and use them while healing - quite useful for working on a subjob too ^^

[grae]

this guide on allakhazam has some useful info on skill blocks

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.htm...8199970&num=57

there is a gap between 11 and 12. i synthed hachimaki's to 11 before it capped, but when i tried to go onto linen threads i blew up every synth :/ i believe i synthed kenpogi for skill ups till i got to 11.5, then i was able to make threads pretty consistently. you can make a profit selling threads even if you don't harvest your materials, but on the Kujata server a stack of linen threads moves at a rate of about 1 every century >.< id suggest keeping them for use on skill ups synthing cloths. stacks of linen cloth sell a little better, but singles sell very well. im at 15 now, blew too many synths trying to do cloths just yet (but i didnt have support, i was in bastok), so i have to see if threads still give me skill ups or trek to windy. also, kinda ran out of money the other day would have been a lot richer had my threads sold, but i farmed some gil the old fashioned way and am going to forge ahead this weekend ^^ good god i cant wait to get to yagudo fletchings, i have about 8 stacks sitting on my mule just from farming around giddeus for necklaces.

and i have never gotten an HQ synth! on anything, ever! =( lucky..

[X Launcher]

If you're willing to trade in some Conquest points, I know of a way to make some gil with Clothcrafting with decent skill. Around 10 I'd say. First, trade in 2000 Conquest points for a Mercenary's Hachimaki. Then, use an Earth to bond a Grass Thread and a Grass Cloth to it and make a Windurstian Hachimaki. On Ragnarok, it goes for 9k in Jeuno. That's a fair amount of gil for a really cheap and rather easy to make item. Of course, you can only do it so many times.

Now, I have a question. I'm stuck with a Clothcrafting skill of 11. I can't seem to make it rise much more. Any good items I can make and at least break even in the gil department?

[Stango]

I went with tunic at lvl 11 or 12 right after cotton clothe stop raising skill. They sell really fast and i made money for the most part and raised my skill alot. Then at 15 linen clothe to about 18 and yagu fletchings took me to 22. Now i am stuck anyone want to help me out go up for there all seem to have way to much loss involved.

[pdac]

Minor update here:

I hit cloth 21 now, almost entirely on what seems to be the best recipe yet. Start at 11-12 and make linen thread from flax flowers. Buy either at the guild (they can be as low as 187 per for me) or the AH (usually higher than the guild, but depends on the server). Then make linen thread. Lots and lots of linen thread. This can level you quite fast to about 16 (I capped it there I think). Make all the stacks and don't sell them. The progression is 2 stacks of flax flowers to 1 stack linen thread.

Once you are high enough, start making your linen thread into linen cloth. 3 thread to a cloth with an earth crystal. This will carry you all the way to 21. You may have some failures, but largely you should be ok as long as you *buy* the advanced support. 3 stacks of thread go to a stack of linen cloth, and on phoenix, the stacks of linen cloth go for 20-24k per. Nice tidy profit of a few k each time, but they move slow in windy, so sell in somewhere like Jueno or San d'Oria if you can.

Now that I'm at 21, I'm looking for another killer recipe to use. I'll post it once I've found it.

[Gman]

I just started the game (again) and therefore, I just started cloth crafting. Here are some of my observations in game, and comparisons to what was stated in this topic.

First, I am only skill level 3, but it was tough getting there. I started by breaking down Yagudo Necklaces every chance I got. I've been lucky in that almost every time a Yagudo drops a Necklace, it also drops a wind crystal.

My first 2 levels were acheived by making spools of grass thread and then weaving them to grass cloth. I would say the breaking down of Yagudo necklaces stopped giving skill ups at on or maybe even before level 1. i'm not sure what I was doing wrong, but i must have broken down 20-30 of them, and no skill ups. I was still getting skill from the grass cloth, and maybe still will... not sure. I just can't see it taking me to level 5.

I was able to successfully make my own Gloves, Cape, Gaiters, and Brais. I got a higher level to make me a Doublet. I failed the first few times at Cape, but now I can make them pretty good with support at level 3. Just ran out of grass cloth.

I HATE people who buy up all the saruta cotton at 80 gil (or less) per and sell a stack for 3500 gil (on Alexander server) This is downright greedy. How the hell is a person supposed to make money (or break even) when materials cost that much. I bought a stack and was able to make all the level 11 armor I needed, and thought I was laughing compared to shop prices. I was horrified to see that the level 11 armor was dirt cheap at AH... I could have just bought it.

I never had to pay for image support. Why does everyone say it costs money? :confused:

Anyway, I'm having fun with it, despite a few setbacks. I'm out of money right now after spending 1000 gil on maps, 2000 gil on spells, and 4700 on a Bee Spatha +1 (lvl 11, 14 dmg, +2 acc) which I thought was a great deal seeing as it could serve me until level 19-20, and I can easily sell it back for as much or more than I bought it for.

When I get around to leveling my subjobs (prob next weekend) I will be getting lots of materials again. I have only purchased crystals once (a stack of earth for 300 gil) Fire and wind crystals were a very good source of income for me at first. Fire was 1.8k/stack and Wind was 1.5k/stack, but those prices have tumbled over the weekend. Fire is now 1.4, and wind 1.2-1.3 ugh... be patient people, your shit will sell!! :mad:

Any tips for a newbie cloth crafter would be well accepted and appreciated. A guy on my server (the one that made me the Doublet) told me to stick with Capes until level 9 beacuse they are so cheap (1 grass thread+2 grass cloth+earth)... is this good advice?

Happy Crafting.

[Faranim]

I'm level 70 Clothcraft so here's a few leveling suggestions:

0-1 Yagudo Necklace
1-4 Grass Cloth
4-8 Capes
8-12 Hachimaki, Linen Thread, Cotton Thread/Cloth.
12-22 Yagudo Fletchings
22-25 Fly Lures, Kenpogi
25 - 32 Wool Thread, Wool Cloth
32 - 42 Bird Fletchings
42 - 52 Insect Fletchings
47 - 53 Silk Cloth
53 - 62 Green Ribbon
62 - 69 Silk Headband
69+ Unsure. Experimenting with Blk. Chocobo Fletchings, Rainbow Thread, and Green Berets. It's going to get REALLY expensive from here, so have a lot of gil to burn.

Once you get over 40, you can turn a profit on breaking up Goblin Armors, Tonberry Coats, and other items (Capes, etc). Make sure you take advantage of the Lightning / Desynthesis Mogenhancement!

Once you get to skill 80+ you can profit on Devotee's Mitts, Masters Gi, as well as lots of other HQ items.

[X Launcher]

Oh wow, this is great stuff! Thanks a lot!

[Karinya]

Gman - there is a higher level of image support that costs gil and is more effective. When you are working with silk (still 700+ gil each on Carbuncle) or even cotton (300-500), you'll see the benefit of 30 gil advanced image support.

Also, I doubt that the same people are buying cotton from the guild and selling it at AH - it would just be too slow. The guild gets at most 2-3 pieces of cotton per DAY (vana'diel day, but still, you have to be there every day when it opens to have even a 20-30% chance of being allowed to buy it). Most likely the people selling at AH are stealing/farming it from mandragoras, gardening (vegetable seed/ice crystal) or harvesting (on the ledges in W Saru, and I think in Giddeus as well). I do some of all 3.

I think SE should drastically increase the amount of cotton the guild has for sale and crash the cotton market - but clearly they don't agree or they'd have done it by now. This does create an entry barrier to clothcraft, but you can help overcome it by obtaining some of your own cotton by other means besides guild or AH.

Being higher level helps a lot in crafting more effectively - not that it increases your success rate or anything like that, but it makes it much easier to make gil and get items. If I ever need a stack of grass cloth - put on my thf sub and spend half an hour in Giddeus killing every Yagudo I see. I'll probably make enough from cash drops and selling feathers to NPC shops to cover the wind crystals (or I could go to Tahrongi and hunt elementals too).

I find that vagabond gear can make a modest profit, but sells very slowly (not many people willing to shell out 3k for a level 1 armor with 1 defense, I don't blame them). So I can't rely on it as a source of income - that's why I hunt, harvest and garden.

[Tchernobyl]

At 22+, i made Fisherman's hose. With luck, the price of flax flowers at the guild are less than what they are at the AH...at least, they were for me.

Cost me about 4.5 to 5k to make a fisherman's hose (i kill lightning elementals to get crystals. earth is no problem). Break down the flowers to thread, thread bonded to cloth, buy cotton thread/cloth, presto.

Sells for 6.5-7k on my server ^^ (midgard).

Faranim: i can make wool cloth at 27? Nice...i'll have to try it out

Excellent guide there