Hotz vs SCEA

[Feba]

Re: Hotz vs SCEA

Its quite simple - Homebrew for one guy has caused PSN to be hacked, allowed for mass online cheating and piracy by thousands of other people - and that's just the tip of the iceberg. But those thousands of people were just "homebrewing," too, right?

So you also oppose the 2nd Amendment, right?

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Do you think well of the people that dreamed up nuclear power? Wait, lets ask Japan about that. Is the legacy bringing a viable energy resource to millions of lives or Hiroshima and the possibility of WWIII?

Really, if you want to play this "this is going to be misused for terrible ends far more than the good it could do" card, why not guns? Are you afraid because you like guns, dislike piracy, and have no actual moral justification against homebrewing?

But even then, yes, let's ask Japan. Let's ask Japan who, despite being the only country on the planet which has been the victim of nuclear weapons, still has many nuclear reactors they rely on for energy (this should be fairly obvious to anyone who hasn't been under a rock for the past three weeks. Despite the meltdown, I haven't heard any serious debate over dismantling nuclear power in Japan. Hell, if they were allowed to have a proper military, I'm sure they'd have nuclear weapons. I wouldn't even be surprised if they had a few stashed away right now; and of course if things escalated to the point where the DPRK was sending missiles to Seoul and Tokyo, there'd be no objection to US use of the bomb. They've recognized that there's a great evil in nuclear weapons. They've also realized that nuclear power is not evil. And they can distinguish between the two, and have no problem with one.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Feba, I said that five weeks ago. Before the quake, I'm fairly keen on the current situation there.

That aside, I'm not interested in dealing with your leaps in logic today.

George Hotz fled to South America. Pretty much closes the book on anyone that wanted to defend him. Of course he claims that he was on vacation, but he's apparently still on vacation. Seems a tad young for such extravagantly long vacations, I'd say.

[Feba]

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George Hotz fled to South America. Pretty much closes the book on anyone that wanted to defend him.

Who gives a shit if he's not in the country? Doesn't change the morality of what he did.

If you have a problem with leaps of logic, why are you going from "haha, I love guns but HOW ABOUT 'DEM NUKES? DEY BAD RIGHT? Ergo, we should look down on homebrewing, they're like nukes, but not guns"; and then ignoring the fact that the entire nuke debate you tried to bring up was also invalid? Or the "This person is doing something which may or not be illegal, ergo everything he has done was illegal" argument? This sounds like the "An innocent man wouldn't have anything to hide!" argument against the Fourth and Fifth Amendment, which I'm assuming you also support.

[Murphie]

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Yeah, I really don't see what nukes even have to do with homebrewing. Talk about a derail. I'm all for analogies, but seriously.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Who gives a shit if he's not in the country? Doesn't change the morality of what he did.

Its away of skirting the law.

If his case is solid against Sony, then why run away? If the law truly is on his side, then he has nothing to fear. I mean, courts did rule that you could legally jailbreak iPhones, so there's a precedent for what he's doing right there.

Running seems to suggest evidence might have been found that he hacked the network or engaged in piracy, which wouldn't score him any points in court, so he went somewhere he couldn't be prosecuted for it.

Screams "guilty" to me. If you want to defend a guy that behaves like a coward and a petulant child to boot, you go right on ahead.

[Murphie]

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Was there something about the case keeping him from leaving the country? From what I understand it's a civil suit. I mean, if he doesn't come back, then yeah, obviously he's dodging, but until he's required to be in court or whatever, he's not officially dodging.

I mean, I honestly don't care that much. I didn't know about this until the thread popped back up. But there seems to be an awful lot of vitriol on both sides here and I guess I just don't get why.

[Firewind]

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Because all vacations have to be over in under 8 days. And they can't be booked and paid for in advance right? And he can't stay in contact with his legal team while there right? What about predicting being sued before the vacation? Or the fact that it's Spring Break and it would have been a very sensible idea to book it in advance?

The guy also has no need to defend himself as the burden of proof is on SCEA's side, and to be honest their arguments aren't looking very stable.

Also consider that there is no actual evidence that has been presented to prove that the specific homebrew code can be used to play pirated games. Sony claims to have evidence of it but has refused to release it. I can claim I have a document making me the long lost grandchild of the fucking Queen then start saying "Oh but you can't look at it because it's special!"

Sony also has no actual evidence that the kid agreed to the EULA. They can't tie a PSN account to his name and the closest thing they have to it is the PS3 used by a neighbour, with evidence and a proof of purchase to back up the fact that it was not bought or ever owned by Hotz. Sony have claimed at least three different gamertags attached to Hotz, one of them was confirmed to be NOT him.

Also everyone needs to remember the last important thing: The case has not even started yet. The kid has every right to be where he wants until he has to appear in court...Which is never. This is a civil case, NOT a criminal case. You can be represented by your legal team for the entirely of a civil case.

And to BBQ, you really need to get it out of your head that all homebrewers are pirates. My ipod recently crapped out and so I'm using an R4 homebrew to double up my DS as an MP3 player? Does that instantly make me a pirate? My MP3s are legitimately ripped from the 100s of CDs that I have the proof of purchase for and also MP3s I have legitimately downloaded from online vendors. But I can't possibly be using the homebrew for innocent means right? I mean if all homebrewers are pirates then I must also have a huge ROM collection on there right?

[Murphie]

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If I'm not mistaken, civil suits don't even end in jail time, so what does it matter where he is?

[Absentia]

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I like how when someone completely ruins BBQ's arguments, he just picks out certain parts to continue down a new argument and completely ignores the parts of his argument that get destroyed.

[DakAttack]

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If you play MW2 on the PS3, you would have a reason to dislike this Hotz guy.

[Firewind]

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People play MW2?

[DakAttack]

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Yes, it's quite bizarre.

[Armando]

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If the law truly is on his side, then he has nothing to fear.

If only our legal system were this fair.

[Murphie]

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Yeah, that potentially awful fine would really destroy his life. Oh wait.

[Malacite]

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If you play anything online on the PS3, you would have a reason to dislike this Hotz guy.

FTFY. Hope Sony takes his ass to the cleaners. I just really hate all these little shits who think too much of themselves and hack shit for the hell of it. The World already has more than enough shit disturbers in it tyvm.