White Knight Chronicles International! like an mmorpg, but free!

[jenova_9]

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Just the opposite, the game encourages online play right from the start. Why are you giving access to quests and told about online gameplay if they are encouraging you to play after you beat the game? That makes no sense at all.

People can't even play online until they complete the first part of the Story. I would say they encourage discovering the full story first. They eventually give to option to play online, but it's only practical that if people don't want to be overpowered during the story playthrough, they'll take care of that first before jumping online (either that or they'll just make a new character for a New Game if they want to keep the story difficulty normal instead of too easy.)

Yes the story is easy and I'm sure if you just go through playing without any extra leveling, it might actually give it more challenge. As it is, I rarely used my Knight ability in boss battles. If I did, 3 hits and the boss was dead.....wtf..

I'm so glad the "mechs" in this rpg are POWERFUL. If it looks powerful and all these great things are said about them,
then they should FEEL powerful! the Gears in Xenogears and the E.S. in Xenosaga feel weak compared to this.
It's a refreshing change to feel powerful when using a 30 feet tall mech in an rpg. It's fun!

5) It's not like creating and using your own avatar is unique. Even seeing it in cut scenes isn't unique...FFXI? It's just that the interaction is a bit wooden and a little grunting would have made it a tad better at the very least.

It's still far better than the thousands of JRPGs that are only centered around premade characters. It isn't about the feature being unique. It's about being there in the first place for those that love that stuff. Also FFXI doesn't really compare with it, because that's online only. So it's virtually unplayable to people who can't pay or don't have online, whereas WKC provides
character creation an a mmorpg gameplay flavor right in its single player story, while still providing a very good online multiplayer mode. I'm not saying it's better than FFXI, just that what FFXI did with avatars in cutscenes means very little to
players that play WKC for the single player. I know people who enjoyed PSO even though they couldn't play online, which was the "point" of the game, unlike PSO though, WKC has a full story that could stand as its own game! Of course the Quests are very hard solo and meant for online, but still, this subject is just better off not mentioning FFXI since they are still different genres. FFXI is used for a more deeper online experience, and WKC offers a cinematic JRPG-epic story, while also having light but dedicated online features too.

6) You keep harping that the game isn't too easy if you don't utilize the online content until after you beat the game. Thats just silly. Its one of the reasons people buy the game. I guarantee that some people look at it as the same old jrpg crap but then see the online content and the Georama aspects and decide to take a chance. So now you are telling people that the option that interested them in the game, they should not bother playing with until after beating the game.....seriously?

It's up to them, but I'm just saying if they complain about the story being easier because of their built up character online,
they have no one to blame but themselves for making the story 10x easier. If they want a more moderate difficulty level, they should just start a New Game with a fresh character if they want to play the story without being levels beyond what the story enemies are designed for. Some people buy it for the online, others for the story, others for both.
Some play the story first before going online, others will play the story when they are tired of online or they don't have internet at the moment. In any case I was just pointing out some options if people want to maintain the story difficulty at
a decent level.

But if they just jump online and then later complain the story is 100x too easy if they decide to play through it, well it's common sense it's their own fault. The parts that are easy even with a fresh characters, those are intentional, since the Knight Arks are as powerful as legend said they would be. It's good the gameplay translates their power much better than the summons in FF games where it's like "Oh, you can summon Bahamut, the KING of dragons, but his attack can't even destroy a fat guy named Palmer in one hit."

Pardon me if your "love" for games never comes across as genuine.

That's because you are so busy with your own self-centered opinions to understand and accept different tastes and different tolerances.

[AshtionFFXIV]

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I hate it had to come to it, but I find myself in need of searching the web(probably your locale gamesite for a walkthrough lol) Its first time I've been this stuck/lost, however I am sure that once finished looking for what's required, it will be something obvious.

EDIT: Figure as much, it was something that slipped the eye. Several times in fact. lol

[TheGrandMom]

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People can't even play online until they complete the first part of the Story. I would say they encourage discovering the full story first. They eventually give to option to play online, but it's only practical that if people don't want to be overpowered during the story playthrough, they'll take care of that first before jumping online (either that or they'll just make a new character for a New Game if they want to keep the story difficulty normal instead of too easy.)

YES! That is my point! The online aspect can buff your character incredibly and they do NOT discourage you from doing it. It opens up to you around level 5....thats very early in the game. Its right after the damn intro...the intro. And most people play the online content because they are curious about it and want to experience all parts of the game. It's human nature. They should have limited the online content more or they should have made it so the mobs did not give you exp.

I'm so glad the "mechs" in this rpg are POWERFUL. If it looks powerful and all these great things are said about them,
then they should FEEL powerful! the Gears in Xenogears and the E.S. in Xenosaga feel weak compared to this.
It's a refreshing change to feel powerful when using a 30 feet tall mech in an rpg. It's fun!

My point was that I didn't even use my knight for a boss battle. I didn't do it on purpose, I just plain went in and switched to my character without thinking and beat it. It wasn't until the cut scene that I realized I didn't use it and laughed. Thats how overpowered my character is.

It's still far better than the thousands of JRPGs that are only centered around premade characters.

There is little difference. Yes you get to model this character and can make it look like you and give it a name, thats about the only aspect that is different. Otherwise "pre-made" characters are you and sometimes you can change their names. And you see those characters in the cut scenes so very little difference beyond styling the avatar to look like you. And I never said that the game was bad, I'm just pointing out some flaws I think need to be worked on but you can't get past your fanboyism to see that.

It's up to them, but I'm just saying if they complain about the story being easier because of their built up character online,
they have no one to blame but themselves for making the story 10x easier. If they want a more moderate difficulty level, they should just start a New Game with a fresh character if they want to play the story without being levels beyond what the story enemies are designed for. Some people buy it for the online, others for the story, others for both.
Some play the story first before going online, others will play the story when they are tired of online or they don't have internet at the moment. In any case I was just pointing out some options if people want to maintain the story difficulty at
a decent level.

But if they just jump online and then later complain the story is 100x too easy if they decide to play through it, well it's common sense it's their own fault. The parts that are easy even with a fresh characters, those are intentional, since the Knight Arks are as powerful as legend said they would be. It's good the gameplay translates their power much better than the summons in FF games where it's like "Oh, you can summon Bahamut, the KING of dragons, but his attack can't even destroy a fat guy named Palmer in one hit."

No its not their fault. It was bad planning on the part of the developers. They know how most gamers are. Give them a game that has a lot of explorable area and what do they do with it? EXPLORE! During the exploration they may gain a few more levels than if they went straight to their next objective. Not overpowered but slightly better prepared for the objectives ahead. But give them extremely easy exp in online content and allow them to do the quests over and over and over......ya then it becomes unbalanced.

You want to know why my character is so uber so fast? Because I took what they said to heart and got my friends to buy it and play. Not everyone could get it on release day so I've been doing some quests over and over because I'm helping my friends (what they advocated). Unfortunately now I'm at least 10+ levels above what I need to be and another friend just bought the game yesterday. /sigh If they had eliminated the exp from the quests, which is not a big thing since there are plenty of other reasons to do the quests, then this issue would be moot. I wouldn't be so high a level.

The game has flaws Jenova but that doesn't mean it sucks. No game is perfect, they all have flaws. I enjoyed the game but I could have enjoyed it more and there are plenty of other people out there that agree. Fyi, I'm done. Theres no sense in discussing this because its like talking to a wall.

[jenova_9]

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There is little difference. Yes you get to model this character and can make it look like you and give it a name, thats about the only aspect that is different. Otherwise "pre-made" characters are you and sometimes you can change their names. And you see those characters in the cut scenes so very little difference beyond styling the avatar to look like you. And I never said that the game was bad, I'm just pointing out some flaws I think need to be worked on.

There is a huge difference! It's extremely rare to create our own character that represents us AND share the adventure with a "main" hero. The only rpg I recall that did that was Oblivion, since officially, Martin was the only one who could save
Cyrodiil from Oblivion. We were really there to assist them (although in that game you could choose to do other things too.)


Also, about the onlne first or story first discussion, they key factor why I recommend story first is that just jumping to online ASAP
will limit the player in the quests they can do. It doesn't matter if people somehow grind to GR7 just playing the first few quests,
if they don't progress the story, they can't access the other locations on the map, and therefore can't play any Quests that take place in those Locations, even if they surpass the level and GR requirements.

But anyways ya I never said it was flawless but this really provides a combination of things resulting in a game never experienced before in some ways. I really would like to see more jrpgs attempt to copy and even surpass what WKC provides, because what WKC has accomplished, has delivered more fun and replay value than any other rpg/jrpg I have played in the past, or will be playing.

Oh ya and the for the record, WKC has some of the most AMAZING magic effects EVER! FFXIV should take note, because
spells like TEMPEST, TIDAL WAVE and METEOR knock FFXI's spell effects flat on their backs. And these aren't cutscenes, they are complete real-time gameplay spells!!!!

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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Well, I've checked the clock and this one's fifteen minutes are about up.

Star Ocean: The Last Ocean International is next up to be the greatest ever, yes?

[Fliegar]

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Everyone has their own opinions on games and such, but uhh... Jenova, you seem to switch your opinion at least 10 times per game. The next new game that comes out, say FFXIII which from what I read so far, you seem to think will suck, but $5 you'll get it anyway. You're going to rave about how fun it is, then read something, and tell us that the game sucks because of (insert reason x).

As far as being "extremely rare" to create your own character? It's because most of the time, unless it's scripted, they're not going to add voice to your character or have anything to do with him, because nobody's going to program the other characters to say "I wonder what xXSephirothXx1337 is up to today." The same reason why Tidus' name was never mentioned in FFX, because you could change it, everyone just called him indirectly.

And the magic effects in WKC are alright, but they're nothing to freak out about. They're flashy, but they also seem fairly... What's the word? Flat? And the difference being that in FFXI, playing with multiple more than 4 people in a party, do you really want someone repeatedly casting "Giant Meteor of Doomx100" on every enemy? That would lag most people not playing on a decent computer.

Edit: I guess I'll try to vote for what's next. Well, since she already said AVP would be the best shooter of 2010, and Star Ocean 4 was already out last year, she might go back to declaring Final Fantasy VII as the best game ever, along with every other raving fanboy of that game. (Not saying I didn't like it, when I played it, I had a blast and absolutely loved it, but I don't drool over anything related to it.)

[jenova_9]

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Everyone has their own opinions on games and such, but uhh... Jenova, you seem to switch your opinion at least 10 times per game. The next new game that comes out, say FFXIII which from what I read so far, you seem to think will suck, but $5 you'll get it anyway.)

you just lost $5

[AshtionFFXIV]

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I actually have a question for you Jenova, if you would indulge me please.
I recently completed the game, before I begin the new game+ I wonder, if I started a regular new game(for say a friend who wants to try the game out). Will me Georama stuff stay the same for both if he went online, or does he need to actually make up a new name/account when he first goes to geonet? I also plan on possibly starting fresh myself, so, if he has the same name, Ashtion, will I still be able to keep my online profile? As in my online name, georama(both what I have built, and the few things I purchased online.)I appreciate it :D

[jenova_9]

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I actually have a question for you Jenova, if you would indulge me please.
I recently completed the game, before I begin the new game+ I wonder, if I started a regular new game(for say a friend who wants to try the game out). Will me Georama stuff stay the same for both if he went online, or does he need to actually make up a new name/account when he first goes to geonet? I also plan on possibly starting fresh myself, so, if he has the same name, Ashtion, will I still be able to keep my online profile? As in my online name, georama(both what I have built, and the few things I purchased online.)I appreciate it :D

Each PSN ID can only have one character, one account, one georama as far as I know. Not sure how it works if you make a new character but
have a separate save for them.

Your GeoNet account is not based on your character name, it's based on your PSN ID.

And you can't have exact PSN ID name, so I'm sure you can have the same character name online since it doesn't appear there's anything stopping people from having the same name for their character. It's just that they'll need their own PSN ID to not interfere with your account/georama.

If you start fresh, your georama on GeoNet is exactly the same UNLESS YOU UPLOAD A NEW EDITED VERSION OF YOUR GEORAMA.
But I think it's a risk. a new character may mean...well. I don't know, I only met one person online who said they have another character,
but I didn't ask details about it.

I think unless you Upload a georama again to GeoNet, your online georama will stay the same otherwise.
And that is if you are using the same PSN ID/account for a new character.

Technically I think one account can have multiple characters. It's just that your geonet account is your PSN Name, plus whatever word choice
you choose after it. So if you load a different character, your georama isn't affected unless you choose Upload georama again.
Basically georama will never change online unless you upload whatever your current character has edited/changed/has for their georama.
That's what I think.

[TheGrandMom]

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My son has had multiple characters. You just create one but your Georama will be the same since it goes by your PSN ID and you can only have one of those. So if your first character is Buff and your Georama is Tom and you make another character and name it Fee, then your Georama will still be Tom. If you add to your Georama and choose upload, of course it will change your Georama and add whatever you put in. It will be the same for all your characters. If your Georama is level 4 then it will be level 4 for your new character and your first character.

FYI, my PSN ID name is the same name as my character so yes they can be the same.

[Pwnagraphic]

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Make sure to play through new game+ if you want to get GR7 and GR8 items..

[jenova_9]

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WONDERFUL NEWS! in WKC2, "the sequel", our avatar can get their own Knight Ark transformation!!!! wheee!!!!!

Sony Shares White Knight Chronicles 2 Screens and Details (Blog Image, 10.09.2009)
Sony Shares White Knight Chronicles 2 Screens and Details (Blog Image, 10.09.2009)
Sony Shares White Knight Chronicles 2 Screens and Details (Blog Image, 10.09.2009)

I wonder if we can customize it or there will be several types of Knights to choose from?

Oh imagine 4 players online summoning their Knight Arks! It would be more fun than Xenogears!

[TheGrandMom]

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Did you get that avatars get knight transformations just from that picture? Or is there an article that announced that?

Oh and here is a link to more images:

IGN: White Knight Chronicles: Awakening of Light and Darkness Screenshots, Wallpapers and Pics

and the TGS trailer:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzmA8-JZT6I"]YouTube- White Knight Chronicles 2 - Trailer - TGS 2009 - PS3[/ame]

and a cam of an extended trailer with a couple additional scenes:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByJCXQCLu8o"]YouTube- White Knight Chronicles 2 [NEW~Trailer][/ame]

[jenova_9]

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oh!!! the trailers! Well ya just those screenshots are enough to know that:

A: Those are player made avatars.

B: the object they are holding has the Knight Ark symbol.

C: the background in the last two pics shows they are going through a transformation.

It does at least confirm the player avatar can possess and use a Knight Ark in the story. And possibly online too,
since everything the avatar can use in the story in WKC1 can be used online too. There are many ways to
balance Knight Arks online and still be fun. It really would set it more apart from other JRPGs and even mmorpgs.

[TheGrandMom]

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It doesn't confirm it one bit, it suggests it. Considering how they can change dynamics of the game on a whim, I'll wait for confirmation from the developer before jumping the gun.