It's on bitch! It's on!

[Murphie]

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First off I never said that we should be concerned about people in their 40's, I expressed concern for elderly people who are generally considered 60-65+. Ronald Reagan had a form of dementia while in office (Alzheimer's). It has happened and will happen in the future as long as we do not have an age cap. Even someone suffering from a mild form of dementia still wields too much power as the president.

40s was hyperbole on my part, but the point still stands. "Elderly people" is such a vague term that it doesn't really mean anything. One person can start to lose it as early as 40 or 50, whereas others are still sharp as a tack until 90 or higher. Just because one situation (Reagan), which was 20 years ago didn't go the way you might have liked, doesn't mean that we should put an arbitrary age cap on the presidency.

I'd sure as hell prefer someone in the office who had a considerable amount of experience in government, which can only come with time over some guy who is a likeable candidate in his 30s or 40s.

That "one old man" can change the course of history, determine if thousands of young men and women in the military live or die, influence our relationships with hostile nations, etc.......I'd call that pretty important and worth having an age cap just in case it would happen again.

Straw. Man. As I said, it's not like the president just has free reign to do whatever he wants. As Mhurron tried and failed to point out to you earlier, there are other people there monitoring the situation. It's not a valid concern.

I'm not sure what version of America you're living in, but in the one I'm living in, the President does not make these decisions alone. So, that "one man" is not solely responsible for the thousands of young men and women in the military living or dying, or our relationships with hostile nations, etc. Your argument is an illogical and emotional extreme that has no place in a discussion of this type.

[Evion]

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Don't get me wrong, Bush has sucked. If he doesn't go down in history as the beginning of the downfall of the United States as the only Unilateral Hegemon, he'll at least go down as the worst speaker. However, I'm still Republican. I probably would have voted Democrat this time around for a change of pace if it weren't for the joke, that are the candidates...

[Malacite]

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^^ well it's good to find out that I may yet be able to apply for dual citizenship (I hope so... I both Canada and the USA. And only my father is American (born in Baltimore, later raised in Richmond V.A. where my grandfolks reside ^^b) and I really, really wish I could vote for Barrack.

Now this will sound weird as people generally stick to candidates from a single party, but if Barrack doesn't get it, much as I like Edwards (I'm not a big fan of Hilary really... LOVE Bill, not too big on Hillary) then I think the next best choice would have to be Mike Huckabee. To me, even though they have different bases it really seems like these two are on the same page in regards to change.

And it's refreshing to see someone running a "nice guy" campaign for once. Lord knows we're all sick of the negative BS and all the rhetoric.


As far as Bush goes, I think he and Dick are going to go down as an example of what not to do as President/VP. He'll leave a legacy all right, just not the kind he was expecting That asshole has lead the country down the path to ruin, I just hope that whoever wins this election can fix or at least stem the monumental damage the moron has done.

Oh yeah, and if at all possible, kindly remove corporate America's thumb from the Senate's ass. Fuck Big Oil, fuck all the asshole lobbyists, and revive the middle class. While I often find he's a bit over the top, Lou Dobbs is 100% right when he talks about outsourcing and China... all these jobs going to cheap foreign labor while America's once top-quality facilities and companies (most notable the big 3 - GM, Chrysler and Ford) are going to shit.


If you haven't read it already, I highly suggest picking up a copy this book




I'll be rooting for Obama and Huckabee in tonight's caucus ^^b

[Jarre]

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I for one hope that who ever gets voted in by the US citizens would kindly remove their hand from our PM's arse, i am tired of our Pm's being puppets of the US. We got dragged into Iraq (quoted in a few newspapers as a political friendly jesture of our government) we have been embarrased in following bush and his many mistakes and questionable actions like a lap dog of which we the public have no say on!

Just out of interest how do you think bush will go down in history as?

[Evion]

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Short-sighted? Try all-encompassing. If you don't see this, then you're blind...

[Olorin401]

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Let's see... The Democrats are putting up the two worst candidates they ever have in terms of likeliness to get voted in office: An African American and a Female. (Sorry, but its true) Why? Duh, Bush has pretty much killed the Republican way. Because of him, Republican seems like a "bad" thing to be these days. Its their best chance to get voted in. Ever heard this?
"If you're under 30 and are Republican, you have no heart. If you're over 30 and are a Democrat, you have no brain."
After Bush, I thought there is no way a Republican would get voted in next... But, thank you Democratic party for helping us out!

It has to be said...

Are you REALLY so mentally warped by the American media and the Republicans that you're willing to make such short-sighted comments?

[Evion]

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Let's see... The Democrats are putting up the two worst candidates they ever have in terms of likeliness to get voted in office: An African American and a Female. (Sorry, but its true) Why? Duh, Bush has pretty much killed the Republican way. Because of him, Republican seems like a "bad" thing to be these days. Its their best chance to get voted in. Ever heard this?
"If you're under 30 and are Republican, you have no heart. If you're over 30 and are a Democrat, you have no brain."
After Bush, I thought there is no way a Republican would get voted in next... But, thank you Democratic party for helping us out!

[TheGrandMom]

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The thing is, arguing about the potential mental capacity of the person in the office of the president being a cause for concern based simply on the fact that he's over the age of 40 is a bit ridiculous. The chances of someone getting to the point of actually being elected while hiding serious mental deficiencies is almost nonexistant. And if someone did get elected in that state, or later found themselves to be failing, there is an entire series of other people, and heck, entire branches of the governing power to deal with that situation.
Just because one old man is senile doesn't mean that they all are, and basing an argument around it is little more than straw-manning.

First off I never said that we should be concerned about people in their 40's, I expressed concern for elderly people who are generally considered 60-65+. Ronald Reagan had a form of dementia while in office (Alzheimer's). It has happened and will happen in the future as long as we do not have an age cap. Even someone suffering from a mild form of dementia still wields too much power as the president.

That "one old man" can change the course of history, determine if thousands of young men and women in the military live or die, influence our relationships with hostile nations, etc.......I'd call that pretty important and worth having an age cap just in case it would happen again.

[Feba]

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You don't even need to know about the subject to get in on a good semantics debate! Jump in, you yellow bellied Elvaan son of a bitch.

[Murphie]

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I do not read about immigration, because I don't care enough about the subject. But I do so love a good semantics argument, so maybe I should!

[Feba]

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A- There was a qualifier in my original statement as well.

you likely are legally an American citizen

B- Read the stuff past that line instead of skimming and seeing various things that have numbers in them. That's talking about naturalizing your child if they don't meet the requirements for citizenships.

C- US Citizenship, can't remember, immigration in general I read about frequently.

[Mhurron]

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Thanks for proving my point Mhurron.

a) There is a qualifier in that statement, find a dictionary and look up the word 'may.'
b) Read past the first line and look at all that paperwork, then look at the title of the page. There is an application that has to be made and there might be a way to speed up the process.
c) When was the last time you dealt with immigration?

[Murphie]

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The thing is, arguing about the potential mental capacity of the person in the office of the president being a cause for concern based simply on the fact that he's over the age of 40 is a bit ridiculous. The chances of someone getting to the point of actually being elected while hiding serious mental deficiencies is almost nonexistant. And if someone did get elected in that state, or later found themselves to be failing, there is an entire series of other people, and heck, entire branches of the governing power to deal with that situation.

Just because one old man is senile doesn't mean that they all are, and basing an argument around it is little more than straw-manning.

[Feba]

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Q. IF MY CHILD IS BORN ABROAD, IS THE CHILD A U.S. CITIZEN?

A. YOUR CHILD MAY BE A U.S. CITIZEN

Thanks for proving my point Mhurron.

[Mhurron]

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Not going to bother looking it up specifically since I'm sleepy, although I have seen it on an immigration site before, but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Citizenship

Thats nice, but the Government still says you have to apply for it.

Also there are other laws that apply if only one of the parents is an American citizen depending on when the child was born.

Either way you have to apply for naturalization as otherwise the state has no clue who or what you are.