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[Taskmage]

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Those terms sound more like Campaign Ops to me. Are current Campaign Ops names in the auto-translator's dictionary?

They are, but I bet these are the names of quests in the new NM system.

[Feba]

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Diabolos and Fenrir are also huge. And so is EVERY OTHER PRIME AVATAR. Once again, SE's explanation doesn't make sense for ANY of them when you consider that player avatars have ALWAYS been significantly smaller and weaker than the Primes.

Also, I recommend you dictionary the term "basically".

And difficulty, no. Raw power? Yes, they're more powerful because they're made to be taken down by alliances of people. But that doesn't mean they're more challenging.

[Ziero]

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Maybe because I wasn't talking about what the avatars motivations are?

Hell, the plotline for the 6 originals is basically "They're sleeping. Some little taru asshole came along and they kicked the shit out of him so they could get back to sleeping."

SE has said their reasons for not adding those avatars (I remember this specifically for Baha and Alex, not Odin though) was that they were too powerful, and they felt they would have to limit them too much. Which doesn't really make sense, because the other avatars are significantly weakened as well when used by players (they could even just make it "It doesn't matter how powerful the avatar itself is, it's limited by the strength of who summons it" which makes total sense); but that's what they said.

EDIT: Oh, and the thing about having massive boss fights and being considered some of the hardest in the game also goes to Diabolos and Fenrir. At least, if you don't take the "throw a bunch of Astral Flow at it" route.

Ok, but I said I don't remember SE saying Diabolos won't be a summon while giving an ingame reason for him to be one while giving in game reasons for the other three not to be one. So forgive me for trying to add to the reasoning why Diabolos is summonable while Alex, Odin and Baha aren't. And it does make sense for them to not want to limit Odin, Alex, and Baha both in game wise, graphic wise and balance wise, because they're incredibly important, incredibly large, incredibly strong beings in the FF universe.

And there's more to the 6 avatars then just "they're sleeping", though that is the basic story to get them, it does go a lot deeper then that.

And Diabolos and Fenrir are hard, but nothing compared to Bahamut and Odin and certainly a step down from Alexander.

Is it just me or did anyone else not read anything about the Nyzul Isle Weapons?

I noticed that too, but then again they probably want us to find out that info on our own like we did with AF+1 and such. They already went into detail about the story of the weapons, all that's left is the what, where and how.

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First to say it and I LOLD when it was.

http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/784905-post19.html

You're preaching to the choir :p

[Feba]

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Also I'm pretty sure SMN moves are under spells or such, not game terms.

And the only thing that sounds even remotely close to something a thunder avatar would use is "cracking"

[LyonheartLakshmi]

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Actually maybe Ixion is going to be an avatar later on? I mean they added new terms in the auto-translator that looks like moves of an avatar . . .

Game Terms 2 Splitting Heirs
Game Terms 2 Cracking Shells
Game Terms 2 Plucking Wings
Game Terms 2 By Light of Fire
Game Terms 2 Prying Eyes

alright fine . . maybe it's just the moves he uses when you fight him hehe

Those terms sound more like Campaign Ops to me. Are current Campaign Ops names in the auto-translator's dictionary?

[Feba]

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WM3K: Given that they're holding a club, I'm far more inclined to think it's a WHM in RDM clothing than the other way around. It could be that SE just said "fuck it, we're not making two pictures of new shit" and used their 'equip whatever the hell you want' powers.

I do have to appreciate how limp wristed and lame that Elvaan mage looks like without a shield, either way.

Kitalrez: FINAL FANTASY XI Official Web Site Unless they look RADICALLY different in their earlier incarnations, no.

[Kitalrez]

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Is it just me or did anyone else not read anything about the Nyzul Isle Weapons?

There's an elvaan holding a new mace about halfway down just before the new crafting rings. "Several new pieces of equipment have been added". This could be the Nyzul relics, or it could be they just tossed us some new items. These new NMs have to drop something, I guess.

I kind of suspected Ixion might end up a HNM when I noticed that all the screenshots of him have him outdoors and make no attempt at showing a summoning circle under or near him. Diabolos was kind of easy to figure out as a potential avatar because his mission has the warding circle appear under him during all the cutscenes. I guess we'll have to wait for the next update for new avatars.

BTW, I'm still waiting to hear what zone the Dev Team spawns in, I got camping to do.

[WishMaster3K]

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Anyone catch the Elvaan RDM with the WHM-looking body piece?

:-/

Hmm...
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Item-Related

Several new equipment items have been added.



There we go.

[Zempten]

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Actually maybe Ixion is going to be an avatar later on? I mean they added new terms in the auto-translator that looks like moves of an avatar . . .

Game Terms 2 Splitting Heirs
Game Terms 2 Cracking Shells
Game Terms 2 Plucking Wings
Game Terms 2 By Light of Fire
Game Terms 2 Prying Eyes

alright fine . . maybe it's just the moves he uses when you fight him hehe

[Sevv]

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Is it just me or did anyone else not read anything about the Nyzul Isle Weapons?

They didn't but S-E Said they would be in this update, and didn't list alot of the items, .dat mining soonish hopefully.

[Phanex]

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All in all, a nice update, a few changes where ppl shouldn't be /crying too much. Althouth it would be nice if they trew in some new Death Animation for our Characters. Not saying i see it often, but meh, they old too.

[Zempten]

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Is it just me or did anyone else not read anything about the Nyzul Isle Weapons?

[Sevv]

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People keep saying that but I don't recall it. Even in the begining of CoP, when you first fight Diabolos, he's trying to help humanity...just in his own bizarre way. Alex, Odin and Bahamut are more for the planet or their own needs then us mortals, plus all three have their massive boss fights and are considered some of the strongest monsters in game.

And I still say Ix is an HNM ala the Sandworm who will pop at any outdoor past Zone.

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Honestly like i said to my sister on skype and lilith in game, I will laugh if this is a new hnm.


<Summoners> OMG NEW AVATARS THANK YOU GOD!!!
<Square-Enix> LOLOL Nope HNM... PWND!
<summoners> ding DRK75/EMO37

First to say it and I LOLD when it was.

[Feba]

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Maybe because I wasn't talking about what the avatars motivations are?

Hell, the plotline for the 6 originals is basically "They're sleeping. Some little taru asshole came along and they kicked the shit out of him so they could get back to sleeping."

SE has said their reasons for not adding those avatars (I remember this specifically for Baha and Alex, not Odin though) was that they were too powerful, and they felt they would have to limit them too much. Which doesn't really make sense, because the other avatars are significantly weakened as well when used by players (they could even just make it "It doesn't matter how powerful the avatar itself is, it's limited by the strength of who summons it" which makes total sense); but that's what they said.

EDIT: Oh, and the thing about having massive boss fights and being considered some of the hardest in the game also goes to Diabolos and Fenrir. At least, if you don't take the "throw a bunch of Astral Flow at it" route.

[Ziero]

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You have to consider that the new avatars (Diabolos, and I believe fenrir although I wasn't around for that) were added AFTER the character was already in the game. In fact, I remember SE saying something about not wanting to make Diabolos a summon either, for much the same reason we don't have Bahamut, Alexander, or Odin.

People keep saying that but I don't recall it. Even in the begining of CoP, when you first fight Diabolos, he's trying to help humanity...just in his own bizarre way. Alex, Odin and Bahamut are more for the planet or their own needs then us mortals, plus all three have their massive boss fights and are considered some of the strongest monsters in game.

And I still say Ix is an HNM ala the Sandworm who will pop at any outdoor past Zone.