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  • #46
    Re: I like swords!

    you won't really feel the effects of B rated weapons until around lvl 40+.

    Thanks Yyg!

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    • #47
      Re: I like swords!

      Originally posted by Szkol
      OK- so I know this thread has been pretty well beaten into the ground already, but had what I think was an interesting experience today in my first Qufim party as a WAR/MNK. I think it helps to show why a WAR can be successful using a B- (? .... maybe worse?) rated weapon instead of the Great Axe or Axe.

      My Equipment was the Following:

      Mrc. Greatsword
      Leather Bandana
      Lizard Jerkin
      Lizard Trousers
      Lizard Boots/Greaves (?)
      Lgn. Mittens
      2x Balance Ring

      No Food.

      So stat bonuses due to equipment included +4 DEX from Balance Rings and +10 Attack from Lgn. Mittens and the Greatsword. None of these are extremely rare/costly/ or difficult to obtain.

      In my Qufim party I was far exceeding the damage dealt by the other party members. We had 1 healer, and the rest were Tank/DD... we took turns voking so the healer never had to get panicked that someone was about to die.... but we were all WAR or subbed WAR except for one of us. While most of the other members were doing avereage hits between 6 and 20 (high 20 for critical hits) , I was regularly hitting in the high 30s or low 40s (and up to 60 for criticals).

      Then I discovered that magic that is Boost, and the other magic that is Berserk. Using these 2 abilities my damage, and especially my WS damage was off the charts! I think I had WS damage close to 90 points. I didn't get to test the full extent of my damage range with Berserk and Boost b/c I had to log off, but i think these are very promising numbers! Do WARs using G. Axe post numbers this high? Honestly most WARs I have partied with don't use G.Axe, so it's hard for me to say. I think this is good damage, or am I wrong?
      Great Axe has Shield Break as WS, which lower the mob evasion (eva -40). It helps all the melee in your party to hit the mob. Even at level 58 I was still find Shield Break useful if I am using +attack food.

      For damage, Sturmwind is good, expecially for WAR/THF post level 30.

      At Qufim level, Neckchopper is best weapon for G.Axe, Braveheart for G.Sword ^^'
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      Race: Hume Rank 7
      75 PLD, 75 SAM, 75 WAR, 75 NIN, 75 MNK, 65 BLU

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      • #48
        Re: I like swords!

        Dude, i've gotten flack from a couple of people for not using Great Axe. If you aren't using axes at ALL, you seriously need to play another job. WARs use axes. WAR using swords is like a WHM trying to DD with Banish, or a BLM fighting with a dagger.

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        • #49
          Re: I like swords!

          At that lvl on Drk with Gaxe I could do 60+ a swing and 100+ dmg on WS easy. With the gear you listed, you won't be able to see the true extent of a War DD.
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          • #50
            Re: I like swords!


            Dude, i've gotten flack from a couple of people for not using Great Axe. If you aren't using axes at ALL, you seriously need to play another job. WARs use axes. WAR using swords is like a WHM trying to DD with Banish, or a BLM fighting with a dagger.
            I MB with Holy on my WHM and Melee /w dagger on my BLM ;;...then again my whm has capped divine (rare) and i nuke /w my blm while meleeing.....

            anyway axe/shield till 20-30 then axe/axe and GAxe 1-75 actually if u cap out sword u can sub hand several good low level swords when u get nin sub auriga xiphos (sp), nader and cent sword are a few. I actually kept GSword leveled till 40 for skillchain/DRK quest.

            Then it started to suck and i was like screw it....

            anyway what i mean to say is u can be a bit different but be good at being different and people will remember it. Make Your difference your stength... Take the time to get the auriga xiphos (better dmg i think) or the nader (better dmg and poison i think). Being different is harder and takes more work.


            A war with sword/shield who out dmgs an axe/shield war in the dunes while tanking will make more of an impact on me thenany ol war with a G Axe who died 5 times cause he voked the wrong mob

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            • #51
              Re: I like swords!

              I can only assume the above is a joke, at least I really hope it is...

              Melee BLM is an MP sponge lowering party chains and xp, MBing with holy is just plain wrong. Lose enough MP to cure several rounds of damamge for less damage that lands in one round.

              I'm going to go boil my head now.

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              • #52
                Re: I like swords!

                Originally posted by Tevabond View Post
                A war with sword/shield who out dmgs an axe/shield war in the dunes while tanking will make more of an impact on me thenany ol war with a G Axe who died 5 times cause he voked the wrong mob
                You cannot compare apples and oranges. If the WAR with the GA provoked 5 wrong mobs, so does the sword/shield WAR. At that point, who are you going to remember more? The guy who was using a more beneficial weapon (tanking w/ a GA in dunes is easy btw, and the Break WS helps a lot) or the guy who wanted to use a sword.

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                • #53
                  Re: I like swords!

                  Originally posted by Siber View Post
                  You cannot compare apples and oranges. If the WAR with the GA provoked 5 wrong mobs, so does the sword/shield WAR. At that point, who are you going to remember more? The guy who was using a more beneficial weapon (tanking w/ a GA in dunes is easy btw, and the Break WS helps a lot) or the guy who wanted to use a sword.
                  But that was his point, to compare apples and oranges - to say that it isn't just one variable that changes at a time in reality.

                  He wasn't saying that swords are statistically better, but that just as equipping the optimal weapon isn't the be-all and end-all of being respected, equipping a "illogically" favoured weapon isn't the be-all and end-all of being disrespected.

                  i.e. If you can be good (team) player and do really well with a sword then that's better than a lot of the players who may well take the road more traveled, but suck anyway and consequently prove ineffective.


                  I sympathise with the OP because when I made my WAR I really wanted to use a Great Sword. As I'm playing an RPG I wanted to represent my tastes in my character, and my tastes say "use a huge sword!"

                  What happened isn't that people didn't want to party with me, but rather that once, when I was duo-ing with a BLU, I noticed how she was doing staggeringly more damage with her (one-handed) sword than I was doing with my Great Sword and at lightning pace too.

                  I asked her why this was and she explained that BLU specialise with that weapon, whereas this weapon isn't exactly my forte. I also was missing a lot too, where she rarely missed. She was, of course, right. Next time I duo'd with her I was using an axe and shield (still not the best for WAR I know) and I far outdid her in damage and equaled her in accuracy.

                  Basically, I do find it sad that your choices of expression, if you like, have been curtailed by the stifling way in which you will just plain suck with certain weapons. It would be so nice to see people really going for broke with interesting combinations of gear, jobs and therefor strategies - but sadly, to me, that isn't the way it is and you really do have to just accept it.
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                  • #54
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                    :\ necroposting makes me sad
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                    • #55
                      Re: I like swords!

                      Originally posted by Omni View Post
                      :\ necroposting makes me sad
                      Specially if they are quoting and replying to someone who posted 5 months ago.
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                      • #56
                        Re: I like swords!

                        Well it was still on the front page...

                        And just like I read this many months on, someone else will come on and see it again (especially since it seems to have lasted on the front page for ages) so I don't really see the problem.
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                        • #57
                          Re: I like swords!

                          That's why so many of us use the New Posts link above. And the posts are still dated.

                          That said, your points were valid.

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