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  • Icemage
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    Re: rdm as DD?

    As mentioned previously in this thread, Colibri are the rare exception that allow RDM to melee. They don't have AoEs, they're weak to RDM's best weapon type (dagger/Joyeuse), you can't cast on them without having your enfeebles and nukes bounced back.

    Extending this definition beyond this one creature type, however, is a very bad idea. Most critters aren't so friendly, and are much more vulnerable to enfeebles.

    This is one of the rare instances where I think RDM/NIN actually shines in an XP party, as you actually have a use for Utsusemi: Ichi (forget that flawed comment about SS + Phalanx above, where were your shadows?). As long as you cast before the first Provoke or Flash, you can shadow-blink away a single enfeeble (Paralyze is a good bet, or Dia II if you're SURE you can cast it before voke/flash) before hate bounces around.


    Icemage

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  • Glued
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    i love this topc its my favorite thing to talk about as a RDM (which just dinged 69 last night, i hate having to make new accounts )

    first off DD as a rdm should not take place from level 32- at least 65(still pushing it)

    i say 65 because of the enfeebling torqu provided you can obtain one, with my gear set up mostly +MND and AF, Enfeebling torque

    Cobra pichages
    red cape +1
    aquamarine ring
    devotees mitts
    forget my earings geist maybe and some other one
    ring that adds int/mnd +3 garrolous (might be the str/agi)
    and AF body pants hat

    i have no trouble at all landing enfeebles without staves, even on imps when i eat some goblin mushpot, i can land all enfeebs withexception of silence regularily

    as for the OP at hand rdm DD is entirley feasible without the gear setups that only the rich can buy, myself when i do melee i simply put on my attack + gear and gat some sushi i hit very consistently on Colbri and they dont like me using daggers, usually go kidney dagger/ ww anealace (for added atk+). When im able to get miserchorde+1 and the Joytoy ill rock it until i get either blau or mandau(ya right ><).

    anyhow in colbri parties where their is a whm or another rdm it can get really boring just hasteing/refreshing and sitting back watching the PLD tank cure himself and others to hold hate, or watch the ninja let hate fly all over and somehow still toss out only the occaisional cure, what im trying to say as a rdm colbri camps suck, casting on t mob is a waste of time seeing as they reflect your crap back to the party.

    So i decided to rock my melee for a while regardless of how the party felt about it

    my equipment was
    Fang Necklace
    Fang Earrings
    Sword Belt
    some ba peice that adds attack and acc forget name but its lvl 67 i think
    those level 14 dex+2 rings
    and AF everything else
    and sushi

    my attack ratting was at 229 which is ok with me

    anyhow pt was nin,thf,drk,sam,rdm,rdm

    so i figured i could melee without issue, which was the case.
    essentially our party went much quicker than having 2 mages on backline battling for who was going to cast spells first, having me on the front line allowed for more skillchains via the sam, and with the thf sataing the ninja rarely was hate bounced around. The end resault, minus Satas and WS's in base damage with my enspell on i out damaged oth the theif and ninja.

    I also learned something valuable from this experience, cyclone is disgusting if you use it in safe areas, 396 damage @ 200% on the colbri which was more damage than ive ever nuked for on rdm. i also learned how to melee at higher levels, and unfourtunatley its changed since last time i was here, apparently melee dont know skillchains, guess thats why i always have to tell people what to do on my BLM, common NA no wonder JP players dont want to party with us.

    On that note i was in a JP colbri party with a PLD,THF,DNC,BRD,WHM,RDM
    and was told i was invited soleley be melee and to WS as often as i could with the THF or PLD, again i found myself out DDing the THF and even tanked a bird when i stepped in path of sata (i SS+Phalanx) all in all i learned that RDM properly equipped is nothing to scoff at damage wise.

    The reason its frowned upon is because not many people can or will take the effort to do it correctly, and effectivley. Some bad... all bad players ruin our jobs immage to the community and hurt our good players images, thankfully i PT exclusivley with JP parties now and they recognize potential of everything, and know every detail about this game as opposed to NA players. Otherwise you can find me soloing mobs in campaign rdm/blm in full melee setup waiting for the day i can get a SH,PCC, and some hats and evisceration (drool).

    P.S. im hungover and dont remeber what we were supposed to talk about hope this was it, im going to get a beer later guys.

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  • Akashimo
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    Originally posted by IfritnoItazura View Post
    Sorry, I didn't know what "Evis" was until Yellow Mage spelled it out; kinda just ignored that part. Was looking at "mb" part and scratching my head why he would respond to my post with "Blizz 3".
    (Hey, at least I figured out what's "Blizz 3".)
    Edit:
    Anyway, as I said, it wasn't intentional. Apologies again for misinterpretation.
    d'oh!
    Well gues we're lucky you figured out the Blizz 3 part
    more or less
    IfritnoItazura obtains a Mithran Beach Tabard.

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  • ItazuraNhomango
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    Sorry, I didn't know what "Evis" was until Yellow Mage spelled it out; kinda just ignored that part. Was looking at "mb" part and scratching my head why he would respond to my post with "Blizz 3".

    (Hey, at least I figured out what's "Blizz 3".)

    Edit:
    Anyway, as I said, it wasn't intentional. Apologies again for misinterpretation.

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  • Akashimo
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    Originally posted by Yellow Mage View Post
    No Evisceration in those levels, either. Ergo, he wasn't talking about those levels, he was talking about 71+!
    Way to make a moot point!
    Yellow Mage obtains a pair of YM's Tights.

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  • Yellow Mage
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    Originally posted by IfritnoItazura View Post
    No Blizzard III in those levels, I'm afraid.
    No Evisceration in those levels, either. Ergo, he wasn't talking about those levels, he was talking about 71+!

    Way to make a moot point!

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  • ItazuraNhomango
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    I thought you were responding to my MB comments, guess not?

    Wasn't intentionally trying to misinterpret your words. <_<

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  • Akashimo
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    Way to quote me out of context >_>
    fail!
    Someone take away Itzura's rdm license

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  • ItazuraNhomango
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    Originally posted by Akashimo View Post
    Go go rdm Evis mb Blizz 3 for 700~ ;3
    Umm... What I wrote was:
    Originally posted by IfritnoItazura View Post
    Plus, at pre-staves levels, a Distortion MB window at the start of the fight was a great way to make sure Paralyze lands!
    No Blizzard III in those levels, I'm afraid.

    The decision to nuke or enfeeble on MB comes down to how well the enfeebles are landing and how much MP one has at the moment. If a low level RDM is low on MP at the start of the fight, I expect him to enfeeble quickly, then sit back down to recharge MP. (Same for high level RDM, really, except taking into account of Convert.)

    In any case, if I'm permitted to assume melee RDM would have more MP problems (e.g. /NIN support job, more recast due to resists and partial resists, less MP rest time), then wouldn't it be smarter to take advantage of early MB opportunity to land enfeebs to make the best use of their more limit mana supply?

    (Obviously, an SC toward the end of the fight or a RDM more MP means one can get better millage out of nukes on MB instead.)

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  • Celeal
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    Hey, I am just wondering, where is the OP feedback on this ^^? The OP disappeared =P

    *We don't bite*

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  • LyonheartLakshmi
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    Originally posted by DR2D2 View Post
    I know rdm roles are pretty much enfebble, refresh, and back-up heal; but I am wondering if rdm(in a typical party set-up) could ever be used as a DD?
    If you have to ask whether a job can DD or not, you probably don't know how to make it work in a DD situation anyway.

    Originally posted by DR2D2 View Post
    I am trying to figure out what sub I want to use for blu but I don't want to lvl thf or nin and don't want to just refresh and enfeeble .
    If you view taking one single job from 1 to 37 as too much work, then I'm guessing that properly gearing up your RDM to do both DD and mage duty to be too much work as well.

    It takes a grand total of 143,250 exp to get from 1 to 37 on a job. That's less than what it's going to take to get BLU from 71 to 75.

    On the bright side, if you solo, you can sub whatever you want.

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  • Spinnthrift
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    Who said anything about not swapping back to swords for sub-par melee damage? Was just clarifying that gimping spells is acceptable if you're advocating Rdm Melee DD. Which you did.

    I'd not melee with a club on Rdm, but if I needed to land enfeebles and had an assured accuracy rate - I'd use the listed to get the best effect.

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  • Akashimo
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    Originally posted by Spinnthrift View Post
    Mistilleinn and Nmn Shield.. I still can't type it.. not Misericorde. The +10 Int/Mnd club used to get really strong procs on enfeebles where accuracy is no longer an issue.
    True, but club is lower than sword on skill rating, and staffs I found from testing solo in sky are better to land a spell with proc rate with enfeebling/int/mnd setup than the int/mnd dual wand setup with the same gear.

    Plus, moon light and star light aren't exactly worth while ws at those levels. And you wouldn't get the almighty Hexa Strike or lolBlack Halo.
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    Originally posted by Callisto View Post
    Actually the exceptional ones can MB off of SCs they close. I can nail everything but Thunder 3 like that, gogo max FastCast!
    Yar, I find it hard to close light and mb it with whm and Banish 3 ;x
    Take away fast cast, both are near the same casting time XD
    Last edited by Akashimo; 01-15-2008, 08:19 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

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  • Callisto
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    Originally posted by Akashimo View Post
    An exceptional rdm would open a sc then start casting the mb spell ;3
    Go go rdm Evis mb Blizz 3 for 700~ ;3
    Actually the exceptional ones can MB off of SCs they close. I can nail everything but Thunder 3 like that, gogo max FastCast!

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  • Spinnthrift
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    Mistilleinn and Nmn Shield.. I still can't type it.. not Misericorde. The +10 Int/Mnd club used to get really strong procs on enfeebles where accuracy is no longer an issue.

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