Stat chart: Subbing WHM vs BLM vs SUM

[Gman]

Originally posted by Kilgraw
I personally plan on using WHM (20) till RDM is at 40. That way when I'm leveling BLM, WHM will always be ready... I might level WHM higher for those "incase of" situations, we'll see.

That's what I was doing too, but I found it very time consuming trying to level 3 jobs, so I just took WHM to 10, the will take BLM to 20, then go back to RDM until at least 41, then go back to BLM again. It will be a pain, but I'll deal with it. Almost got 3 levels with my BLM at Shakrami last night, so I'm close to 15... I hit Valkurm tonight, and hopefully I'll get a couple more levels.

Then I get RDM to 25 and hunt Ghelsba and Giddeus keys *cries* I'm terrified of going to Kazahm... I've heard nothing but bad things, other than the exp from onions.

[Kilgraw]

I personally plan on using WHM (20) till RDM is at 40. That way when I'm leveling BLM, WHM will always be ready... I might level WHM higher for those "incase of" situations, we'll see.

[Oro]

Its already been said, but I seriously believe the subchoice boils down to the rest of the PT config and where you will be going. For example, if you was leveling off the bones in gustav on something like lv66, whm sub would be good, since bones like to really screw the status of the melee's, cut the whm or other mages some slack and give them a hand, better yet, assigning a individual melee to look after is a good choice. This isn't always the case but it is nice. Only times I have subbed BLM against bones is when there is no BLM present with their Godly MB damage, I have to substitute with mediocre MB

But than on the other hand, fighting stuff like the Weapons and Golems in Ro'Moave (or Tulia? I have access but havent leveled there yet lol) I found whm sub the most useless thing, choice sub would be blm or smn. For blm, the conserve mp is a blessing for your offensive oriented play on such enemies, plus a decent aspir once in a while. for smn sub, if there is no smn or a whm subbing smn its a good call, since the ranged attacks that cause stun are negated with ease using garuda's arial armour

For those that want to raise all the subs your definitly on the right track for efficientcy. Most of you have said it, there is no real better sub, but some subs are just plain suited for particular enemies, the same way certain melee's favour a enemy type (mnk=bones, drg/rng=flying type blah blah)

/selfslap since im only raising smn now :spin:

[pdac]

The benefit of summoner so far as a sub for me has been less than stellar, but I also have not gotten to 50/25 for the auto-refresh. However, I still use it when I'm needed as a bottomless-mp-pit. When using summoner as a sub, even without divine seal, I end up with well past the needed amount of mp to keep chaining, even after 2 cure III's, a regen and refresh ^^v

Despite the niceties of summoner though, I'm now levelling black mage to 30, to cover my advance to level 60 rdm. White mage will follow as well, somewhat soon here. I've found the need for more nuking capability to be higher, than the buffs that whm provides (I've gotten the hang of working with the blm on magic bursts, usually 2 burst each on every WS). One question I have is whether this will still be the case past level 50? I've been managing my mp well, especially now with refresh, and water II mb's are doing well for us as a group...will I still be MB'ing past 50?

Thanks for the great list of stats, its now part of my job notes library

[wizzy]

hmm looks like i should level whm then so i can switch between blm and whm for subs.





That's what I am going to do,But I am also going to swicth between summoner, and Bard too.

[Fanatic]

hmm looks like i should level whm then so i can switch between blm and whm for subs.

[Synbios]

Originally posted by Jei
there are definitely some extreme case anticans for example. Bard is singing to the tanks, white is 2 steps in front of me, and both of them got silenced! now, what can a Rdm/blm do in that situation run to the whm and trade an echo drop? hehe

Run to the group behind and asked for silena. I did that yesterday when I got silenced by another group's Antican yesterday. >.>

[Jei]

there are definitely some extreme case anticans for example. Bard is singing to the tanks, white is 2 steps in front of me, and both of them got silenced! now, what can a Rdm/blm do in that situation run to the whm and trade an echo drop? hehe

[Acidreflux]

My thinking regarding the status heals is that Im almost always gonna be in a pt with a /whm somewhere. blm/whm, brd/whm, sum/whm, just whm, whatever/whm, you get where im going. im the /blm, but i will admit i think over that decision every time i hit the convert macro...

[Nohar]

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[Alucath]

This is wonderful :O. I think it all comes down to a matter of preference now, and there's no real "White Mage/Black Mage is way better" arguement that a few of my friends tend to make. Me, personally.. I'm going with BLM, I don't have a lot of time to level both WHM and BLM up. But I like BLM, and if a RDM/BLM(me) and a RDM/WHM team up.. it can be great for starting a group ^^.

[Jei]

I like Rdm/Whm much more than Blm for low level up to around 50/25. Low level, the ~na spells are really great to have while /blm doesn't really giving anything much.

/15whm for goddess seal, works so good with convert.

/25Blm for MP conserve and frost... just those 2 are really helpful already :D

/29blm for escape... is just so nice.

/31whm for erase is also nice ^^b if you have that spell.

[Discordian]

rdm66/whm33 has Erase I believe.

Excellent table. Good info.

[Taskmage]

Whoops! Minor correction to make. The +MP stats I posted for SMN do include the Max MP Boost job traits.

Thanks for the stick.

[MidnightMystict]

Ooh thanks for the info about /smn maybe i'll try that out for fun some day when i'm lvl 60+. Well my rdm is lvl 43/20whm and jsut got whm to lvl 20 tonight and was wondering is the "clear mind" trait for rdm and whm subbed are stacked?