New 2 hour ability- "Free Meat Chiefkabob"

[Hecky]

Re: New 2 hour ability- "Free Meat Chiefkabob"

Well, if you look away from the 2hr, atleast its great that you can call your wyvern every 20 min

[Balodoth]

Re: New 2 hour ability- "Free Meat Chiefkabob"

Thanks Khaeos! It would be great to get an idea of how the rest of the party does. I'm betting their damage goes up because of Jump, and also that they receive less damage via High and Super Jump. Granted, it's only logical, but I'd love to see some numbers.

[Khaeos]

Re: New 2 hour ability- "Free Meat Chiefkabob"

Soul eather+Last resort is practically useless when u sub em, so I dunno.

Here is some hard data for you all. Three instances, with varying levels of mob difficulty. HNM, NM, IT. The data from the following mobs have been gathered over the course of three fights with each one [I.e Fought Despot three times etc]. Three parsers were used in each battle by people within the party for maximum accuracy. No food was used at all during the battles.

Equipment -

Ori. Lance
Wyvern Helm
Narashinha Vest
Mermans Gorget
Mermans Earring
Assault Earring
Wyrm Finger Gauntlets [I have Heca, but did wyrm for a base curve]
Amemet Mantle+1
Warwolf Belt
Barone Cosciales
Hecatomb Leggings
Ruby Ring x 2

HNM - Nidhoggx1/Fafnirx2

Average damage per hit [DPH]: 48
Average weaponskill damage [Wheeling Thrust]: 200
Total STR [DRG/WHM]: 72+31

~With 2hr~

Average damage per hit [DPH]: 79
Average weaponskill damage [Wheeling Thrust]: 325
Total STR [DRG/WHM]: 72+45

NM - Despot

Average damage per hit [DPH]: 71
Average weaponskill damage [Wheeling Thrust]: 390
Total STR [DRG/WAR]: 77+31

~With 2HR~

Average damage per hit [DPH]: 95
Average weaponskill damage [Wheeling Thrust]: 510
Total STR [DRG/WAR]: 77+45

IT mob - Aura Statue [Ulli. spawn]

Average damage per hit [DPH]: 84
Average weaponskill damage [Wheeling Thrust]: 528
Total STR [DRG/WAR]: 77+31

~With 2HR~

Average damage per hit [DPH]: 128
Average weaponskill damage [Wheeling Thrust]: 740
Total STR [DRG/WAR]: 77+45

Average damage was given through calculation of the logs given from three seperate parsers. All averages were done, with the exception of HNM fight, with /WAR subjob.

Below was the max damage I got on all three fights [Unaveraged, total gained by screenshot].

Max DMG [Normal attack]: 189 [IT Aura Statue], 125 [Fafnir, /WHM sub], 161 [Despot]

Max DMG [Weaponskill - Wheeling Thrust]: 1068 [IT Aura Statue], 649 [Fafnir, /WHM sub], 710 [Despot]

Max DMG [Critical Hit]: 278 [IT Aura Statue], 181 [Fafnir, /WHM sub], 201 [Despot].

I plan on doing parsered data with Jump and High Jump as my next project. I'll post the data once it is gathered and calculated.

[Tipsy]

Re: New 2 hour ability- "Free Meat Chiefkabob"

Lol, if you want to use souleater and last resort, then do a 5 hits ws, your gonna die, let alone 2.

[Kagerou]

Re: New 2 hour ability- "Free Meat Chiefkabob"

Really fun: Drg/Drk + 2hr

Step 1: Get yourself and your wyvern to 300 TP
Step 3: Souleater + Last Resort
Step 4: Engage and Penta Thrust immediately so your wyvern still has 300 TP.
Step 5: Use 2hr, gain all your HP back and 300 TP from your wyvern.
Step 6: Use Jump
Step 7: Penta Thrust again

Soul eather+Last resort is practically useless when u sub em, so I dunno.

[Enialas]

Re: New 2 hour ability- "Free Meat Chiefkabob"

you can't just take 1 situation and base the whole new 2hr on it, especially the first time. you aren't giving this versitale 2hr a chance.

it isn't supposed to compete with mighty srikes or hundred fists because if it did, and was all that it is, then it'd be way over powered. what were you fighting when you did your 2hr? what were the actual damage reports?

the other jumps didn't work? there is a way to guage a mobs TPs, when thier health gets below 25% or so they do thier skill every 100 tp, if they're doing a bomb or rush every 30 seconds, you see it ready another and hit it with that jump and it's 15 more secs before it readies another, then you killed 50% tps for it. before it gets to 25% it does skills at random tps. because stun just delays it, not cancel thier TP.

ie
Goblin Readies Bomb Toss!
Enialas uses Flat Blade/Brainshaker/Stun.
Goblin is stunned.
Goblin is no longer stunned.
Goblin readies Goblin Rush.

sometimes the stun delay is good enough, but have it stunned and use that jump on it. see if it readies another skill immediately. remember this only works at 25% or lower because if it's at 26% and has 290% tp and you knock of 50% it'll still have 240% and you will not know if it worked.

was there anyone behind you when you did the other jump? like a blm or whm that got hate? if there was no one there, of course it didn't work.

document and log everything please. if you're going to complain about something, have documentation.

[SelfdestButton]

Re: New 2 hour ability- "Free Meat Chiefkabob"

Not arrogant.

[MMan530]

Re: New 2 hour ability- "Free Meat Chiefkabob"

Welcome to FFXI. Huge revelation: most drgs are morons.

Not to sound arrogant, but I've long since thought this was the main problem with DRG.

[Drogen_Shomuro]

Re: New 2 hour ability- "Free Meat Chiefkabob"

Really fun: Drg/Drk + 2hr

Step 1: Get yourself and your wyvern to 300 TP
Step 3: Souleater + Last Resort
Step 4: Engage and Penta Thrust immediately so your wyvern still has 300 TP.
Step 5: Use 2hr, gain all your HP back and 300 TP from your wyvern.
Step 6: Use Jump
Step 7: Penta Thrust again

[Draco Dagon]

Re: New 2 hour ability- "Free Meat Chiefkabob"

Quite frankly, as a DRG I think most of us DRG could just live without a 2hr at all since Call Wyvern is so good as a 20m-ability. I could really care less what my 2hr is anymore now that Call Wyvern is 20m.

[aegina]

Re: New 2 hour ability- "Free Meat Chiefkabob"

a lvl 60 drg in my ls tried his 2 hr out on xp mobs and he said it worked great.he said shj did 500 damage to an it xp mob.


maybe the power of the 2 hour is based on your level, or the mob's level?

[Balodoth]

Re: New 2 hour ability- "Free Meat Chiefkabob"

OK, before we judge. . . let's test this out. We'll need to know the sub, the level, bonus to STR, amount of TP gained, mob fought w/ rating.

Then we'll be able to make a more informed decision and theorize about anything S-E may not tell us. For instance, I'm guessing we get the wyvern's TP, so random TP gains are expected. I'm also expecting this affects our accuracy, maybe even our evasion. So, we'll need to test mobs with diff ACC equipment to see how the mob /checks with different equipment setting before and during 2-hour. Evasion will be more difficult.

We'll also want to check Jump to see if we can establish any basic rule of how much defense is lowered. For High Jump, let's see what we can do about learning to predict enemy TP. As for Super Jump, I'm a little disappointed we didn't get to do damage. . .

Overall, from what I'm reading, this really is a party based 2-hour. I mean, look at RNG, MNK, or WAR. They do more damage, that's it. THF and PLD just avoid damage. Granted these abilities can help the party, but they don't have as direct an effect on the party as ours does. Not only do we do more damage, but we can allow the entire party to do more damage with Jump. Then after a WS & MB bonanza, we can High Jump to deny the enemy their reprisal. THEN when hate goes awry and focuses on somebody that we can't allow to have it, we focus hate back where it belongs. I really like how it functions like Cover, but is immediate and involves me avoiding damage too.

Overall, I like this. I fully expect people to post parser results showing we do the same, maybe even a bit less damage than with our wyvern. But those same parsers will show the rest of the party doing more damage, and the rest of the party taking less damage. I don't care who you are, that's cool. If S-E would give us an ability to find out the enemy's TP (I remember a spy ability from FFIV), DRG could be invaluable in Promyvion.

[saige]

Re: New 2 hour ability- "Free Meat Chiefkabob"

didnt know if anyone wrote this but i got 100 tp also wich can be somewhat usfull i guess, i just save it then do a WS then use it use another WS then do my jumps and call drg again, not too helpfull but the best part of the update was the 20 min drg call ^_^

Double Post Edited:

Get TP, WS, Spirit Surge, Jump, WS, Icarus wing, WS, High Jump, Super Jump. Sounds pretty excelsior to me.

sorry just saw this should have read first ^^ just being lazy

[Kailea]

Re: New 2 hour ability- "Free Meat Chiefkabob"

QFT

Now if only they'd stop ruining my reputation.

yeah dito -.-

[Impaction]

Re: New 2 hour ability- "Free Meat Chiefkabob"

Welcome to FFXI. Huge revelation: most drgs are morons.

QFT

Now if only they'd stop ruining my reputation.