Theoretical Best Race?

[Kailea]

Re: Theoretical Best Race?

I agree with Spider-Dan. The only race bonus people actually care about is HP. They talk about MP, but don't actually make decisions based on it, and everyone knows base stat differences are too tiny to matter. But non-bonus-HP-race tanks can and do get shoved aside or disregarded sometimes (and it must be even worse for taru). Max HP isn't actually an important stat for 99% of tanking situations, but a lot of people including some tanks don't know that. And the max hp/mp race differences are actually fairly large (presumably because SE knows that the maximums aren't that important over the long term).

Race doesn't ever make that much difference to your actual effectiveness, but it can make a difference to how other players perceive you, and when that happens, you're better off being Galka.

Even though tanking isn't your plan right now, there's more chance that you will change your mind and be a tank than that any race differences will have a significant impact on the effectiveness of COR.

what are you smoking? I tank better then many Galka PLD I have met, and I am just a "little" "skinny" Mithra. ^.^

[Armando]

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what are you smoking? I tank better then many Galka PLD I have met, and I am just a "little" "skinny" Mithra. ^.^

No one said anything about skill. The whole point of this discussion is to ignore everything that isn't the numbers.

[Mog]

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I agree with Spider-Dan. The only race bonus people actually care about is HP. They talk about MP, but don't actually make decisions based on it, and everyone knows base stat differences are too tiny to matter. But non-bonus-HP-race tanks can and do get shoved aside or disregarded sometimes (and it must be even worse for taru). Max HP isn't actually an important stat for 99% of tanking situations, but a lot of people including some tanks don't know that. And the max hp/mp race differences are actually fairly large (presumably because SE knows that the maximums aren't that important over the long term).

Race doesn't ever make that much difference to your actual effectiveness, but it can make a difference to how other players perceive you, and when that happens, you're better off being Galka.

Even though tanking isn't your plan right now, there's more chance that you will change your mind and be a tank than that any race differences will have a significant impact on the effectiveness of COR.

It's a shame people think like that. I'm a tarutaru pld and I tank HNM's just fine. I'm a firm believer that some of the best pld's are tarutaru. Having less HP means less room for mistake. I really had to refine my abilities, but once I got the hang of it, it couldn't be more rewarding.

I remember one time though that I messed up shadows on Tiamat once. Just once. What do you know, he double attacks me for 1400 and I'm dead. This is a situation where another race would survive. However, people learn and get better. HP shouldn't be an issue when tanking, but then again, this requires less room for mistake which Elvaans and Galkas can get away with.

[Mezlo]

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I say Hume. Then you get the best of both worlds and aren't at the extreme in any situation.

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You know what's funny (and really if you think about it, it's no fucking duh), everyones posting to be what the race they play in the game... We've seen from Taru to Galka and everything in between. You know what that means? You guessed it! It doesn't really matter, play with whatever one seems cooler. I picked the hume because he looked like me. Mog picked the taru because, well, Mog is how you say... small...

[Mog]

Re: Theoretical Best Race?

I say Hume. Then you get the best of both worlds and aren't at the extreme in any situation.

---------- Post added at 04:24 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:22 PM ----------

You know what's funny (and really if you think about it, it's no fucking duh), everyones posting to be what the race they play in the game... We've seen from Taru to Galka and everything in between. You know what that means? You guessed it! It doesn't really matter, play with whatever one seems cooler. I picked the hume because he looked like me. Mog picked the taru because, well, Mog is how you say... small...

Good thing I'm not compensating for something like that galkas do!

[Spider-Dan]

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You know what's funny (and really if you think about it, it's no fucking duh), everyones posting to be what the race they play in the game...

I'm a Mithra and my recommendation was Galka.

[Mezlo]

Re: Theoretical Best Race?

I'm a Mithra and my recommendation was Galka.

Galka huh? Does your "Galka" wear a skimpy bikini?

[ShepardG]

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"Cannon Ball Run"

[Spider-Dan]

Re: Theoretical Best Race?

Galka huh? Does your "Galka" wear a skimpy bikini?

Let me try this again:

I play a Mithra character, but my recommendation is to play a Galka character.

[Kailea]

Re: Theoretical Best Race?

Let me try this again:

I play a Mithra character, but my recommendation is to play a Galka character.

I still dont see why you recommend Galka for all, just because of their HP. Its called equipment, learn how to equip yourself.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: Theoretical Best Race?

Dan suggested HP was the most important stat and people are agreeing with that?

Really? Even after we all just fucking said that stats for this job were of negligible difference, we're going to 180 and say HP matters?

This job really shouldn't even be getting hit.

This job, like BRD, can hemorrhage EXP and still get it all back with ease. And unlike BRD, its buffs are not ruled by any form of skill rating, so it can get right back up and start buffing again. A galka COR will go down in a few more hits than a mithra COR, but if he can't get hate peeled off in the mild advantage he has, he's still going down. We might as well advocate an -enmity build at that point.

Cobra Unit melee gear. If you're really worried about getting hit that much, there ya go.

I didn't merit HP for COR, but given I could go full support if needed, I did merit MP to go with MP builds and mage subs.

[Callisto]

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Galka gets the 2nd highest base D on WS behind Elv from combined STR/AGI, and that's not by much, so yeah, that's relatively negligible compared to a nearly 50% boost in HP compared to a Taru. Racial AGI difference is not enough to affect QD Acc or Ranged Acc for shit with proper gear, that stat is pretty much moot outside of the WS mod. 200+ HP is not negligible for any job, especially coming from someone who thinks that yellow health is 'on the brink of death'.

[Spider-Dan]

Re: Theoretical Best Race?

Really? Even after we all just fucking said that stats for this job were of negligible difference, we're going to 180 and say HP matters?

This job really shouldn't even be getting hit.

Do you really, honestly think that we are talking about getting hit through hate generated? COR will not generate significant enmity against any mob that matters.

A galka COR will go down in a few more hits than a mithra COR, but if he can't get hate peeled off in the mild advantage he has, he's still going down. We might as well advocate an -enmity build at that point.

Tell me, is Armor Buster going to deal less damage with -enmity gear? Will I be more likely to survive an SMN Astral Flow in Limbus if I hold back on my hate generation?

If you're saying that you never, ever die now then sure, HP is a meaningless stat. If you do die, then it would seem apparent that more HP would, at least occasionally, result in you NOT dying.

Keep in mind that I am NOT saying that if you rolled a non-Galka race, you are forever doomed to a life of mediocrity. But if I am to answer the OP's question honestly (and no, "there isn't a best race" is not an answer; it's a copout), Galka's advantages will benefit you more than any other race's advantages.

[Karinya]

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what are you smoking? I tank better then many Galka PLD I have met, and I am just a "little" "skinny" Mithra. ^.^

So do I, I don't think you read my post. It's not about how good you are, it's about how other people think about you. And most people that are not experienced tanks (and even some that are) only see one thing about tanks: maximum HP.

It's not a bonus that matters all that much in actual effectiveness. But it's a bonus other people care about. Even though they're dumb, you still have to deal with them.