/nin or /whm?

[LyonheartLakshmi]

Re: /nin or /whm?

I've no idea how the new Refresh PLD gets works because I quit playing before that was offered.

PLD gets auto-refresh at 35. But by the point, WHM has gotten quite a few more boosts.

[Climhazzard]

Re: /nin or /whm?

Like most BSTs that have replied, it's situational for me as well. As far as plain ol' EXPing, I've used /WHM, /NIN and /PLD all about the same amount of levels as a sub. I have between 40 and 50 levels on all of them as subs. I personally like /WHM better because it's more versatile, but I've no probs switching to /NIN for EXPing.

/PLD just isn't as good as a sub once a BST hits Lv30. Divine Seal and the fact that Cure 2 starts to actually be worth the MP it costs to cast make /WHM etter than /PLD post-30. The -na spells start paying off between 30 and 40 as well and this helps. I've no idea how the new Refresh PLD gets works because I quit playing before that was offered. But it does sound like a nice benefit. But, IMO, /PLD is the best sub for BST until Lv30 of the BST plans on subbing /WHM eventually and 24 if the BST plans on subbing /NIN.

/RDM is nice too I've heard, though I've never used it. I can definately see the perks of this sub when fighting Crabs, Antica or anything with a bigtime DEF buff.

One thing I seem to differ on is using /NIN in Sky. I did just the opposite because I killed Pots instead of Dolls. Dolls I kill seem to be programed with an anti-Meltdown mechanism to where maybe 1 in 10 Dolls will use Meltdown. Blazing Spikes for around 10 dmg per swing of your Axe makes /NIN hurt. I don't have a Gaudy Harness, so I couldn't dual wield Rune Axes for the nice Regen tick. But, even if I had Gaudy + Rune Axes, /NIN would've slowed me down drastically.

Finally:

/waves to the Siren BSTs and all the BSTs I know from other forums.

EDIT: Added some stuff I forgot.

[Coffeeandapples]

Re: /nin or /whm?

Situational.. but more /whm than /nin.

I did /whm 1-24 and 50-67, and /nin 24-50 and 67-70. I usually don't like to change what I'm doing, because I need different equip for each.. but sometimes the other one just works better in one situation, and I stick to it for a while. Aht Urghan non shadow wiping aoe camps(colibri, puks) with sanction regen are also great for /nin. In one pet per fight camps, /nin allows me to dd near to my full potential without taking hits. With proper equip and equip swaps, it speeds up the killing a lot. However, if your hp is going down regularly, so you need to rest, /nin is no longer worth it.

[piroko]

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even though most of our BST gear are more /WHM based

Gaudy Harness and JSE is all I can think of. Otherwise we get the same melee gear a Warrior does.

The entire Bison set adds a ton of MP (60+) as well, Tamer's Gloves adds MP (20) and a few others... just can't remember.

Back on topic, I use /WHM full time soloing since I can't find a reason to use /NIN at all. I bearly take hits when I exp even when I switch pets... If I'm really in trouble, I usually break out the Earth Staff and soon a Jelly Ring as well.

[Weeeekujata]

Re: /nin or /whm?

as other have said you should add situational

[Solomonsp]

Blue

Blue mage should of been included in this poll because blue mage sub is a very good sub for beastmaster. Although I feel that all three jobs white mage, ninja, and blue mage have their own advantages at different levels.

[little ninja]

Re: /nin or /whm?

once you cap axe, /nin will get u killed in most areas, or you burn thur so many powders it not even funny. then again if you go into a new area you need both invis an sneak. so why shell out all that gil, when you get free refills on my.

/whm for everything

/nin for sky, Dyn, an merit parties.

[Samora]

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Ikaridono: I know now that there isn't a sneak ninjutsu, thats why I put a (?) right beside it lol.

Also, most of our JSE is what I'm talking about when it comes to that statement. I wish that they come out with more Attack/Battle gear for Beastmaster.

I also never said that /NIN sub shadows block all of the AoE moves, that why i put some in the sentence.

[Bov]

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Ya, I don't think I could level WHM to 37 on more than one toon either. =p

[Shep]

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I go with /nin mainly because I dont have whm lvled. Yeah, it kinda limits me, but I absolutely hate leveling whm. I have a 75 Taru blm, and it killed me to lvl whm to 37 for that. People always say that you have a lot of downtime with /nin, but i truly believe that the only people that have a lot of downtime just cannot manage hate correctly. In other news, I have started to level rdm as a future sub if needed, but til I need it, I'll stay BST/NIN.

But thats just me.

[Harrison]

Re: /nin or /whm?

I only use nin sub when:
1. Fighting hard NMs.
2. When im in sky.

For everything else i find /whm sub being more useful.

Same.

[Extacy]

Re: /nin or /whm?

I only use nin sub when:
1. Fighting hard NMs.
2. When im in sky.

For everything else i find /whm sub being more useful.

[Omni-Ragnarok]

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i went 1-54 as /nin. everything since then is /whm, theres just too many moves out there that go thru utsusemi or arent blocked by utsusemi. id love to find a place that will be /nin friendly again.

im hoping that at 61 fightin lesser colibri will be a nice lvl to use /nin.
also, at 70 once im able to hit sky, its /nin all the way with GH + rune axes x2.

/whm is just all around useful.

[Veve]

Re: /nin or /whm?

Why do I level with /whm?

1. I don't have ninja leveled.
2. I'm taru.
3. Gaudy harness. Who could miss that?
4. I probably wouldn't use it until 74.
5. It feels like everything has AoE shadow eatting moves.
6. I don't want to make my duo partner have to cure me LIKE I DID FOR EVERY /NIN I DUOED WITH. (note: although as bst you can solo any way you want, I just don't get why my partner says we should do gobs with him as /nin and him not running away from bombs)

[Ikaridono]

Re: /nin or /whm?

Not flaming, but want to correct a few things.

even though most of our BST gear are more /WHM based

Gaudy Harness and JSE is all I can think of. Otherwise we get the same melee gear a Warrior does.

/NIN shadow's can keep you alive for quite a while, they take some ~ga spells and most damage, and you dont have to rest as much pre-30.

Since when does Utsusemi absorb -ga Spells? -ga spells wipe all your shadows. There are AoE TP moves that shadows absorb, and some that they don't, but don't wipe the shadows as well.

Also, you get the sneak(?) and invis ninjutsu, which instead of the spells, have a set timer with it.

There is no Sneak Ninjutsu.


I'm /Whm mostly. Gaudy Harness really makes resting a pretty much non-issue. Dark Staff makes resting damn fast as well. If you get hit as /Nin you have no fast way to heal that HP. At 70 you can use Dual Rune axes for a nice regen however.

I like to go /Nin when I can, but /Whm just suits camps a good bet better to me.