BST /anon

[samarium]

Re: BST /anon

Ahh. You sound so mad. Someone needs to stop thinking everything is about them or is that guilt? That you lowered yourself by making a personal attack when you had nothing of value to add.

Please clarify how suggesting anon bsts who like the person who posted this thread NOT getting attacked, just because thet are anon, is against being nice? What? Attacking them is?
Again, bsts who do not know other bsts view anon as rude.

Oh. I think I finally see what's going on here.

Yer a troll.

[FoxFire]

Re: BST /anon

Do NOT condescend to me three posts after you accuse me of making personal attacks.

Ahh. You sound so mad. Someone needs to stop thinking everything is about them or is that guilt? That you lowered yourself by making a personal attack when you had nothing of value to add.

My message is very simple: be nice! And you're both arguing with that.

Please clarify how suggesting anon bsts who like the person who posted this thread NOT getting attacked, just because thet are anon, is against being nice? What? Attacking them is?
Again, bsts who do not know other bsts view anon as rude.

[samarium]

Re: BST /anon

Why is this so hard to understand?

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Do NOT condescend to me three posts after you accuse me of making personal attacks.

This is very simple. It's courtesy. I'll do you the courtesy of letting you know where I camp and saving you the trouble of coming the whole way out if you'll do the same for me.

Beastmasters do not have in their possession a fast easy way to travel around the globe - BLM is not a suitable subjob, and /WHM won't get any teleports until level 74.

A party complete with whm and blm (post-40) can be whisked across the world in seconds, but we have to walk.

If you see fit to be discourteous to me, and see fit to persuade others to do the same, you'll happily stomp on any future courtesy I would offer you.

My message is very simple: be nice! And you're both arguing with that.

I will happily attempt to share the spot with you because you haven't signalled to me that you're using it! I'm not doing it specifically to harm your exp; I'm doing it to get some exp of my own for my time invested, which as stated, is considerable.

-sam

[FoxFire]

Re: BST /anon

You are not protecting beastmasters from some evil bst conglomerate looking to force them to all act a certain way; you are defending - encouraging - purposely acting selfishly.

I can't stop you from being selfish. You have a right to act however you want. However, encouraging such behavior is not a responsible stance to take to this problem.

-sam

Please Quote any post I have made where I tell other people to go anon. What Xorlarren has said and what I agree with is you should not attack another bst just because they are anon and assume they are being rude by doing it. Why is this so hard to understand?

Did you not read the first post in this thread?
He was shocked that someone would take it as "a personal insult" that he was anon. Yet until that guy, he had never heard that anyone would think its rude. The following posts several people say that guy was a jerk, an ass, and was overreacting. I just suggest no one follows that same route. Make love not war!

[samarium]

Re: BST /anon

Parties routinely do a /search of the area they're about to exp in, knowing very well how many useable camp spots there are - they count the people in that level range and divide.

In this way they avoid wasting enormous chunks of time travelling around the globe looking at occupied camps.

There are very few circumstances where all six members of a party will be playing anonymously, so you can make some sort of estimate.

A lone BST can, with one stroke, cause a similar level of inconvenience for others.

After the MPK patch, useable camps for a solo player with pets and prey of the appropriate level nearby each other are dwindling, some spots - as stated - have one good camp.

You are not protecting beastmasters from some evil bst conglomerate looking to force them to all act a certain way; you are defending - encouraging - purposely acting selfishly.

I can't stop you from being selfish. You have a right to act however you want. However, encouraging such behavior is not a responsible stance to take to this problem.

-sam

[Silenus]

Re: BST /anon

How do you explain blue to a blind man?

[Xorlarrin]

Re: BST /anon

/target point (Yes you need it!)

Do you expect all bst of all levels to know of and follow this bst rote? Do you feel those that do not, deserved to be punished for it? That is what is being sugested by some of the posters to this topic.

LOL OMG! Go Foxfire!



Thats it in a nutshell.................

[Harrison]

Re: BST /anon

I notice the two posters who are going against the grain aren't Beastmaster main jobs. They both leveled other jobs to 75 before ever starting Beast. You have a completely different perspective on playing Beastmaster for your entire career. You obviously don't interact with a Beastmaster only community, because you're other 75 jobs show you are part of regular LS communities. Pretty much the majority of asshole Beastmasters you will run across, are the ones who are leveling it as a side project. I have never met a career BST who was a jerk, the only jerks were the ones I saw later on other 75 jobs.

All that is being stated here is exping solo /anon is rude. If you do it, don't expect the other person(s) you inconvienced to take it lightly. Learn the unwritten rules of the community if you want to be a part of it instead of antagonizing it.

[FoxFire]

Re: BST /anon

/target point (Yes you need it!)

Do you expect all bst of all levels to know of and follow this bst rote? Do you feel those that do not, deserved to be punished for it? That is what is being sugested by some of the posters to this topic.

[Silenus]

Re: BST /anon

...as a brick.

Dang I'm old. Hope somebody else caught that.

"Beastmaster community" is a big ol vague euphamism. We don't have a roster, and we don't all congregate in the same place, or on the same forum, or on the same server.

Nevertheless, there is an ideal "Beastmaster community" that people of conscience try to establish and maintain out of pride and honor. I am proud to say that I am a member of that Beastmaster community, and I strive to hold up the standards of the proud Beastmasters before me.

Certainly not all Beastmasters feel this way; however, there are a significant number that do, and they are my brothers. They will never step over my dead body. You will see them instantly take a knee beside me because they only have 49 mp when they find me, and then they will raise me, as I will them.

They will never camp on top of me. We will be in a duo.

They will never MPK me, and I will never MPK them.

They will never steal my pets or my mobs, because I do not own either.

They will stand by and watch me during a close fight to see if they need to throw in a Cure III.

They will /cheer when they don't.

They will ask me for anything I own, and return it when they say they will, as will I.

We will /wave to each other as we scramble through town to gather supplies and rush back into the field where we feel comfortable.

It is to this community I belong, and it is for this reason I play this game.

[FoxFire]

Re: BST /anon

Ahhh.. You can't even be bothered to post anything what so ever to do with the topic? Just going to make an attack because you do not like what I said? Yet again you prove me right.

[samarium]

Re: BST /anon

Thank you so much to prove me right on 2 counts.

To state that this forum is the "Beastmaster community" is pure ego, because it is clamed that what is said here goes for all bst all servers. Thats overwhelming arrogance because of what a small percentage of who that represents. Furthermore, all those who do not use forums are still left out. So to start camping on top of them and being rude because you come across other bst that are anon ends up only one person is in the wrong and its not the anon bst.

Let me see my post was #45. Its just a litttle hard to blame me for starting a flame war that late in the posts.

OK, now you're just being deliberately thick.

-sam

[FoxFire]

Re: BST /anon

Beastmaster community, as in most of the posters in this forum, not the bst on the actual servers.

Thank you so much to prove me right on 2 counts.

To state that this forum is the "Beastmaster community" is pure ego, because it is clamed that what is said here goes for all bst all servers. Thats overwhelming arrogance because of what a small percentage of who that represents. Furthermore, all those who do not use forums are still left out. So to start camping on top of them and being rude because you come across other bst that are anon ends up only one person is in the wrong and its not the anon bst.

Let me see my post was #45. Its just a litttle hard to blame me for starting a flame war that late in the posts.

[samarium]

Re: BST /anon

Beastmaster community, as in most of the posters in this forum, not the bst on the actual servers.

Jerks will be jerks regardless of job, but (for the most part) the bst forums are basically free of people starting flame battles and simultaneously flinging around insults while making asinine comments about personal attacks being childish.

-sam

[FoxFire]

Re: BST /anon

Ok, I can't keep quite on this any more.

Xorlarrin you are 100% right.

All you have to do is read over these posts to see that bad rep come though that bsts have earned. I have leveled 4 jobs to 75 and been playing for over 3 years. I have seen several bsts pop up where exp partys were and start stealing beasts, bsts drop pets on exp partys, bsts, several times I have seen one bst step over the body of another dead bst and take there camp. Even now with most of the mpk probs fixed I still see bsts in GC drop pets right next to partys were they are not far enough outside the pop range. Do they care or say they are sorry that they did this. No.

Now, I see bsts being petty and childish makeing personal attacks against you when you have said you do not even go anon. Just because you said the truth that there isn't shite they can do about it except be part of the problem by being an ass to other bsts or to try and make it better. By making sure you check an area before you take off anywhere. People seem damn arrogant. They expect others to make sure to do things to make things easyer for them as long as it takes no effort on there part.

Beastmaster Communities?!?!?! WTH are you talking about? Unless your letting every level 1 bst join your ls your talking out your ass. My bst was level 42 before I even found a bst LS that had more then 2 other bsts on it that had any idea what they were doing anymore then me, and at no time what so ever did anyone said anything about anon bst being a good or bad thing. So to sugest that all bst know its rude or have any idea what other bsts think about it is a flat out joke. Not all bsts join bst ls or read these forums to learn these things. Just because you do not like it does not make it the word of god shouted down from the heavens. Such arrogance.

I myself am now level 72 bst and I go anon all the time. NOT ONCE has anyone said one word to me about it being rude or whatever. (Ok, maybe jp players could have but I never understood them) Nor am I the only one in my ls that goes anon all the time and from talking with them after reading these posts they think nothing is wrong with it too. At some point you learn to not fret over these things and all the childish people who get upset over such things. I am so waiting for someone to have the nerve to dare reply and say someone had to have told me.

I go camp a few NM now and then and when I do I see a few JP bst camped at them too. They are also anon. Two of them I have duo'ed with a few times. They are always anon, not just when NM camping. I wonder if they know how evil and rude they are being.

One thing you all seem to gloss over is it does not matter even if all bst never used anon. You still got 17 other jobs that go anon and that can and do solo in every zone. You can still head out to a bst camp and find a Nin there, a pld with a npc, a sum, and so on. Each and everyone of them anon. Even full exp partys that now use bst camp sites because they know what a good camp it is.

Well, I have read and summerly dismissed most of your opinions. Please feel free to do the same with mine. However, if the best you got is to make a personal attack against me go for it. I will be ROTFLMAO , because I love to be proven right.






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