Bard Sub-job

[tomfin10]

Re: Bard Sub-job

I subbed SMN in CN once or twice so we could pull the Rumble Crawlers. They're so close together the only way is to Carby pull... or you have to wait a long time for them to move to a position where they won't link. If we went somewhere else, I would have subbed WHM. WHM is just so much more useful. In that PT, they really could've used a DS+Curaga a few times (I wish I had subbed WHM), but I really thought that I needed SMN SJ to keep the pulls up.

[Icemage]

Re: Bard Sub-job

There is one type of XP camp where WHM RDM BRD backlines work ok, and that's when you're fighting skeletons. Banish spells do all kinds of insane damage these days to undead, particularly on magic bursts, and you can sub a skilled WHM in for a BLM in these cases if you're using a Fusion or Light skillchain.

In all other cases, I agree with Rones regarding this setup, since it is decidedly lacking in offense.


Icemage

[Rones]

Re: Bard Sub-job

3DDs and WHM, RDM, BRD works just fine. Yeah I enjoy the sc'ing and strategy of pting but I rather fly through exp then spends hours getting exp I could get in a hour.

With the exception of some party setups at 75 fighting T-VTs, you are still going to need a tank. I have had my share of parties with whm, rdm, brd backline as both brd and whm. The party always speed up after one of the three left. As a whm 51+, I can go forever without causing downtime with just one refresher (brd or rdm). The fact that you sit at 90%+ mp just shows how much is being wasted. If you are sitting that high, the party doesn't need that much mp regen and healing power. Thus sacrifice one of them and grab another DD. As long as you don't have downtime it is always better to add more DD. The closer you can get to the edge the more efficient your party is.

BRD/BLM is just another mage option for them, some just rather not cure just like some RDM/BLM who rather not keep up on WHM duties. Strategy,strategy,strategy is what FFXI is about. Even when you have the best/ideal pt setup sometimes it just doesn't work out.

What does strategy (or lack of it) have to do with a brd subbing blm? Do a /sea all brd 10-75 and tell me how many brd/blm you see exping. You might see a couple out farming for the warp, but I can bet you that is it. Even brd/rdm is very rare, but brd/blm is non-existent.

[lionx]

Re: Bard Sub-job

They only care less because its a refresh job and its either your gimpy sub with a PT or no PT(assuming theres no RDM). In actuality, they just think you are one of those people that lvl BRD up because its easy especially with a sub like that searching -_-; I really hate it when its not WHM sub, just makes my job harder for no reason. RDM is...acceptable but other than that...come on...

BRD RDM WHM parties tend to be weaker, hence i feel its better to either get stronger melee, or drop a melee in favor of a BLM or SMN.

[Arris]

Re: Bard Sub-job

Parties with a whm, rdm, and brd backline are a waste. Yes, it won't matter in that case if the brd throws cures or not because you have way more healing ability than is needed. The party would vastly improve if you dropped either the rdm or whm from the equation and picked up another DD.

That's so untrue. Faster exp I get the better so I don't have to stay in pts for hours. Have you been in a pt w/ that setup? Best exp I have ever gotten, no one died and HP and MP never dropped below 95%. 3DDs and WHM, RDM, BRD works just fine. Yeah I enjoy the sc'ing and strategy of pting but I rather fly through exp then spends hours getting exp I could get in a hour. BRD/BLM is just another mage option for them, some just rather not cure just like some RDM/BLM who rather not keep up on WHM duties. Strategy,strategy,strategy is what FFXI is about. Even when you have the best/ideal pt setup sometimes it just doesn't work out.

[Zempten]

Re: Bard Sub-job

I understand all that but i am not really fond of the white mage, it just isn't me.
But if I were to excel in the Bard class, is it necessary to pick White Mage?
And how does the white mage "work" from 1-42. Is it O K ?

uugh 2 many questions......

If you were to excel in the BRD class you need to excel as a player. A player that only has a single point of view of the game (BRD) is not going to be a player that excels.

Personally I feel that as a player who wants to excel it is necessary to understand the various jobs that we will encounter through the game. This understanding comes from experience playing the other jobs. By doing so, you gain a much wider view of the game from all perspectives and that's what I feel makes a player excel. This knowledge will serve you well when you encounter others that may drag your PT down in that it will set your PT back on the right course rather then wasting time.

For instance, you will know which set of songs you may be required to play and when a cure/curaga is needed. It can be any variation of Minuet, Madrigal, March...etc. Every PT is different in that they are different people, different equipment and your songs are to makeup for the lack of accuracy,attack...etc.

So just saying WHM isn't you is a contridiction of being a BRD that excels, at least to me. You need to be there for your PT and do what you can to support the PT, it's about teamwork.

[Rones]

Re: Bard Sub-job

They usually go /smn because i guess on my server they not expected to do nothing but their job which is to play their songs. I haven't seen any brd yet who wants to be back up cure so why not have alittle fun

You have some very strange brds on your server. Throwing out cures is a huge part of of a brd's job. I really like being back up healer as it drastically cuts downtime.

Ppl could give a less really what their sub job is as long as they got their songs we want them. And they usually don't pull the /SMN unless the RDM is /WHM and there's a WHM in party.

Parties with a whm, rdm, and brd backline are a waste. Yes, it won't matter in that case if the brd throws cures or not because you have way more healing ability than is needed. The party would vastly improve if you dropped either the rdm or whm from the equation and picked up another DD.

And alot BRDS seem to rather go /BLM

I have never ever seen a brd/blm and I can not possibly fathom a reason why they would in an exp party.

And if summoning was such a long lengthy process how do SMN as main cure in pt find the time????

Smns main healing don't usually do any summoning beyond the occasional blood pact. They do not have 4 songs with 12 second casting time to sing every 2-3 minutes. Smns have much more free time than brds.

This should be common knowledge to a 75. :sweat: A brd who only sings songs is like a rdm who only casts refresh and enfeebles. Not nearly reaching their full potential.

[UnnamedGalka]

Re: Bard Sub-job

The only real advantage that subbing RDM over WHM would be Fast Cast.

Ppl could give a less really what their sub job is as long as they got their songs we want them.

I strongly disagree here. People do care about what the Bard subs. /WHM gives them the very handy ability to backup heal and dis-enfeeble, plus the best CHR bonus next to subbing BST (which would be nothing short of foolish).

[Arris]

Re: Bard Sub-job

Don't give people bad ideas. /smn has a few uses in a few select hnm/god and cannon situations. It is nearworthless in a nomral exp setting. While brds do have spare time between songs, they do not usually have enough for the lengthy procedure of summoning, buffing, and desummoning (especially for such a small reward). That is why /whm is so nice. Sing a song, throw a quick curaga/cure3, continue singing. When I exp as brd/whm, my whm sub consists of 1/3 of my activites I do. For every 2 songs I sing, I throw a cure or status fix.

Solo, brd has lots of fun options that make you very versitile. Exp however, nothing comes close to brd/whm with a normal party structure.

They usually go /smn because i guess on my server they not expected to do nothing but their job which is to play their songs. I haven't seen any brd yet who wants to be back up cure so why not have alittle fun? Ppl could give a less really what their sub job is as long as they got their songs we want them. And they usually don't pull the /SMN unless the RDM is /WHM and there's a WHM in party.
And alot BRDS seem to rather go /BLM. And if summoning was such a long lengthy process how do SMN as main cure in pt find the time???? IF that was the problem I guess SMN are useless in parties? With RDM and BRD in pt believe I've never had trouble with not having enough mp to keep everyone's HP at 95%. By the time the fights over I have nearly full MP with Refresh , Mage's Ballad I &II.

[Rones]

Re: Bard Sub-job

Newest trend on my server is BRD/SMN.

Don't give people bad ideas. /smn has a few uses in a few select hnm/god and cannon situations. It is nearworthless in a nomral exp setting. While brds do have spare time between songs, they do not usually have enough for the lengthy procedure of summoning, buffing, and desummoning (especially for such a small reward). That is why /whm is so nice. Sing a song, throw a quick curaga/cure3, continue singing. When I exp as brd/whm, my whm sub consists of 1/3 of my activites I do. For every 2 songs I sing, I throw a cure or status fix.

Solo, brd has lots of fun options that make you very versitile. Exp however, nothing comes close to brd/whm with a normal party structure.

[felpa_de_osa]

Re: Bard Sub-job

Some of my reasons why I picked /WHM

Divine Seal/Curaga I(II) when all melees get hit pretty bad you can do this during and after the mob is dead thus Paeon wont be needed much

A stretch more of MP (this is what I have seen people say not sure)

Earlier access to stoneskin than rdm

Earlier access to cure 3 than rdm

Being able to teleport around 72 so you wont have to wait on a warp or if there's a blm to warp you out after a party

Get to have reraise (yeah it doesnt you much exp back but it would help in certian situations)

adds abit more CHR to your base for your bard not much as BST but it still gets things done

and you probally get the point =P

[Arris]

Re: Bard Sub-job

heh, bst kicks my ass, not tried that yet, but was plvling a pt in kazham i went sub like level 15 bst and charmed a monkey and used it to kill gobs \(^-^)/

lol It's always fun to charm Kracken and run around Qufim.

[Keyura]

Re: Bard Sub-job

yeah I agree. I also went on a skill up party with 75BRD/37BST...let's just say we own'd everything!

heh, bst kicks my ass, not tried that yet, but was plvling a pt in kazham i went sub like level 15 bst and charmed a monkey and used it to kill gobs \(^-^)/

[Arris]

Re: Bard Sub-job

ya also wanted for aerial armor, i've seen some solo bards sub nin and not do half bad, for the most part, bards and go naked w/ whatever sj they want and be as useful end game (imo) cause when u have a party and a half of whms, who needs to cure? plus with bard's justaucorps, amemet mantle, genbu's kabuto, two daggers, snipers rings, some dusk gear, etc, u got a pretty decent little melee who can go forever cause of their regenerative of enhancing songs brd is a pretty deep class for those who want to give it their all

yeah I agree. I also went on a skill up party with 75BRD/37BST...let's just say we own'd everything!

[Keyura]

Re: Bard Sub-job

Newest trend on my server is BRD/SMN. It's a pretty awesome combination atleast I think so. Most BRDS on my server aren't expected to do anything but sing so they have fun with their subs ^-^(Especially when there's a WHM and RDM in PT).

ya also wanted for aerial armor, i've seen some solo bards sub nin and not do half bad, for the most part, bards and go naked w/ whatever sj they want and be as useful end game (imo) cause when u have a party and a half of whms, who needs to cure? plus with bard's justaucorps, amemet mantle, genbu's kabuto, two daggers, snipers rings, some dusk gear, etc, u got a pretty decent little melee who can go forever cause of their regenerative of enhancing songs brd is a pretty deep class for those who want to give it their all