Human vs. Evlaan: Red Mage

[Rai|Kye]

Originally posted by Miriamel
Didn't say that, but let's face it and be realistic. Most don't, won't ever, and sure as hell don't have access to +55MP +4INT mitts and similar pieces for other spots. And about 30 merit points done.

As for Taru, I want to see them have my ease with enfeebling. They need to make up for it as much as I need to make up for my lack of INT, and successfully do.

Edit: Talking about merits, make that MP 728 now.

ok....
there is nothing really special about wooden mitts is there ?
i mean i had Ocean mitts at 63 almost the same.

And about the merrit thing.. while u have to push into MP me and tarus can go for Enfeebling skill+.

Mnd is a stat that can easy be made up with gear because theres alot of actualy much cheaper gear for MND then for INT.

i dont say that elvaans sucks as RDM but the thread is Elvaan vs. Hume RDM.

so please tell me something only elvaan have that red mage would benefit much from.
sorry i just dont see any help in some strengh and a bad convert ratio only for some points of mnd that can easy be made up

[Miriamel]

Er, have you even looked into merits? From what you're saying here I'm assuming no. I have actually done enfeebling upgrades, they don't collide with MP upgrades.

And yes, the mitts are special, apart from Galka RSE (and certain Zenith) you won't find anything better in game. As is the +30MP +3INT +6AGI foot piece. +15MP +2INT earring, as well as +60MP +4INT rope.

RSE is there to make up for racial differences, and I can say it does a great job at that.

You're saying that MND is easily made up for, but INT is not? That isn't true, INT is easily made up for with what's available to me. It's entirely the same as making up for another stat.

Now please do tell me how 966HP/813MP is a bad convert ratio? I'd love to know.

You totally ignored what I said, too. I said yes, anyone can outdo me, no matter the race, it comes down to dedication and equipment. But the simple fact is, that hardly anyone does.

[Sepukku]

I always assumed my 738:754 was good....

[Xyphere]

If you really need convincing, the most legendary RDM in all the land, Rainemard, is Elvaan... AF Quests

[Jei]

just a reminder that the thread is hume vs elvaan. not taru :sweat:

[Sepukku]

Re: Human vs. Evlaan: Red Mage

If you really need convincing, the most legendary RDM in all the land, Rainemard, is Elvaan... AF Quests

I thought it was Grendal -.- (or me). Another godly RDM is Avesta (the one in the recent thread who is JP and his site has photos of him soloing Tyrannic Tunnok, Amikiri, etc. He, too, is a Tarutaru. Then again, Im sure any race of RDM could solo those, but being able to last longer inbetween Converts is nice.

Just because SE made the NPC for a job a certain race, doesnt mean its the best race. Galka is the MNK NPC type, but most people consider Elvaan to be the best ingame race for it.

[Xyphere]

Re: Human vs. Evlaan: Red Mage

Just because SE made the NPC for a job a certain race, doesnt mean its the best race. Galka is the MNK NPC type, but most people consider Elvaan to be the best ingame race for it.

You took what I said way too seriously... I was kidding.

[Rai|Kye]

Re: Human vs. Evlaan: Red Mage

Er, have you even looked into merits? From what you're saying here I'm assuming no. I have actually done enfeebling upgrades, they don't collide with MP upgrades.

And yes, the mitts are special, apart from Galka RSE (and certain Zenith) you won't find anything better in game. As is the +30MP +3INT +6AGI foot piece. +15MP +2INT earring, as well as +60MP +4INT rope.

RSE is there to make up for racial differences, and I can say it does a great job at that.

You're saying that MND is easily made up for, but INT is not? That isn't true, INT is easily made up for with what's available to me. It's entirely the same as making up for another stat.

Now please do tell me how 966HP/813MP is a bad convert ratio? I'd love to know.

You totally ignored what I said, too. I said yes, anyone can outdo me, no matter the race, it comes down to dedication and equipment. But the simple fact is, that hardly anyone does.

you know what ? you are right, sorry.
elvaans are No.1 Redmages !
i'm sorry i posted on this thread since everyone seems to know that Elvaans are the No.1 Redmages.

as for the merrits, yes i have looked into merrits >>
in know you can do both. but u need a crazy amount of exp to do both.

hope you feel better now

[Miriamel]

Re: Human vs. Evlaan: Red Mage

And again you didn't even look at what I said. Where did I say Elvaan are the best RDMs? Nowhere. All I said was that any race can excel at the job. Elvaans, too.

[Rai|Kye]

Re: Human vs. Evlaan: Red Mage

and again you dont understand >> i dont say elvaans cant be good red mages
i know alot of good elvaan redmages

BUT:

this Thread is about Elvaan vs Hume !
and when u look on the paper, when u look ingame, Hume are statswise HP/MP wise better then elvaans.
go make a hume mule and compare stats from level1 elvaan rdm and level1 hume redmage.

why u elvaan always want to shine in every job ? there are just jobs where other races are better at. YES, thats not a reasen to not play them but then atleast understand that if someone asks about the E vs (race of choice) that u statswise not always on top

[Miriamel]

Re: Human vs. Evlaan: Red Mage

Haha, I do understand that. I'm not arguing that the base stats are better. But, I'm also saying that any race with weaker base stats can and often will outdo a race with better base stats. I happened to be in a party with 2 other RDMs yesterday, all level 68. One Mithra, one Hume, and then me. I had the most MP, I had the best bursts and I took over the white enfeebles.

I don't see why you're so set on base stats. They don't really matter much in the end. My best friend happens to be a Hume BLM, and with all his gear and merits, I've only ever seen one taru that did more damage than him. He has so far owned all others that we've been in BLM PT with. Even I have outdamaged my fair share.

My HNM LS has two Taru NINs that average better HP than the Humes. I'll say it again: It all comes down to equipment and dedication. Saying that all Humes are better than Elvaans as RDMs is simply not true. They have, by default, a small advantage, but what they make of it is up to them. I have, by default, a small disadvantage, but I know how to get rid of it.