Abyssea Experiences

[Grizzlebeard]

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Yeah, it's mentioned on wiki that if you log/dc in Abyssea your timer continues ticking down to the point where you have no time left and will be kicked once you log back in. Equally, if you return from dc you should still have your Visitant Status, any remaining time, and if you were killing mobs you'll be at the same exp per kill as you were before you dc'd.

[Laynton]

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Posting a new thing i found out about the stone. Dont know if its been said alrdy so sry if its a repeat.

Its happened too me twice now. Ive gone in with 3 stones and with in 10min i d/c and i cant log back on. first time was my stupid brother spilt water on the router and fried the damn thing and second was we lost power. anyways after logging on the next night, zone into abyssea were i d/c'd from, immediately my visitant status wears off and i get kicked out of abyssea. of course loosing my stones and having to wait an hour before i cant get back in.

So what im gathering from this is that your time still ticks id you get d/c'd from abyssea. i dont know a way to confirm this cuz the timer windower has only counts up not down.

anyone else experience this?

[Solymir]

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Sure, being in an alliance abyssea party is a bit of a grind, but you have to admit that the reward is pretty awesome.

I have gotten to do all of 1 alliance party. I joined a group that had been at it for a few hrs already and I was there for about 3. At the end when I finally just broke 500 per kill I was addicted and didn't want to leave. Unfortunately I had a Limbus run to go to or I would have stayed, got my War to 80, capped exp and kept going for merits. It was by far the easiest experience points I have earned through party fighting in FFXI.

It seems like people are looking a gift horse in the mouth. If there is something you don't like don't do it.

[ShepardG]

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What karyina said, I would love to be able to exp for 2-3 hours and then do our nightly event, but around the 2 hr mark is when it starts to get good. with 18 jobs to level to 80 i'm in for some weekend grinds that's for sure, i'm just glad that it's as easy and as powerful a way to level and merit....now if only they had nomad moogles in the abyssea camp's, and some way to access merit menus outside of your mog house. I would probalby end up playing FFXI for atleast another year!

[Grizzlebeard]

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Max Wings rank won't get you nocturnus; your server also has to take over northlands, something you can't do by yourself and that may or may not ever happen again on some/most servers now that multiple alliances full of people are in Abyssea all the time.

It doesn't look like anyone cares about the Northlands anymore on Fenrir which is very frustrating. Equally though, I'm rapidly losing interest in Campaign myself as I've earned and lost and re-earned my max rank in the last month due to the massive surge of people in the standard zones. I'm lucky if I get 1k exp for a standard campaign battle with a max of around 1.8k now it seems, dramatically reduced from the previous 4-5k I was seeing. Now I'm faced with having to spend three to four times as long in Campaign earning shitty exp while random assholes are pulling mobs halfway across the zone in order to break 2k themselves.

The one thing I don't like about abyssea so far is that when it works well for exp, it's even longer than original Dynamis. I thought SE were moving towards shorter events but I can hardly even attempt abyssea during the week...

The occasions where I've earned up to 600exp per kill I've literally spent 5-6 hours in the zone and like you say I don't want to be doing this all that often. S-E keep giving signs they're learning from their mistakes then they go and pull stupid shit like this. The 2mil drink only hints at some ridiculous event on the horizon that requires a solid month of farming cruor in order to achieve a chance at success as well.

[Karinya]

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Max Wings rank won't get you nocturnus; your server also has to take over northlands, something you can't do by yourself and that may or may not ever happen again on some/most servers now that multiple alliances full of people are in Abyssea all the time.

Also: if you want to get any time extends at all you need to build pearl and azure lights in the first 90 min and not mess around with NMs. This isn't super hard necessarily but it's not something you can do just screwing around either.

The one thing I don't like about abyssea so far is that when it works well for exp, it's even longer than original Dynamis. I thought SE were moving towards shorter events but I can hardly even attempt abyssea during the week because I have to get some sleep and then get back to work for the next day and don't really have time to run a 4+ hour event unless there were one starting the precise moment I got home from work. I kinda wish they hadn't included time extends but just made lights build faster so you could get good exp/cruor inside 90 min instead, but as it is, 90 min won't get you 10% of what you'll get in a 4-5 hour abyssea run because of the way lights get stronger over time. (The most I've seen is about 450/kill, but I've heard of 600+. And if you're in there that long, you must be on top tier azure, so you're getting 1250 exp and 1000 cruor chests fairly often too.)

[Ketaru]

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Here's my latest Abyssea experience. Some shithead cost me the last Raskovnik pop for the night. We were all getting ready to fight it when he insists on us fighting some dumbass Clionid or whatever for some key item or something.

When we fight it, another party comes over and grabs the NM. I'm so fucking pissed off right now. I'm the only person in our linkshell now that hasn't gotten a drop I wanted.

[Lmnop]

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I concede Perle's a bit less appealing for SAMs since they have easy access to 3% haste feet making this a 2% haste loss instead of 1%.

I'll amend my original remarks though; The set is nothing special for anyone with really good gear (in my case it's trash) but yeah for new people who don't even have sky or CoP done yes I can see this being a very nice, cheap set for some haste & accuracy. But there is much better gear available with even more on the way (which is why I'm not bothering to get a YYR; I'm sure something even nicer will be out soon, may even be AF3 Body)

Closer, but still not there. I have haidate, I have Rajas, I have Brutal. I also have Aurum and such. I wouldn't call myself a "starting player". Just a player lacking Salvage and VNM gear (and Ein, so I'm missing out on chances for an Adaberk).

So this is what it comes down to: you need nocturnus (max Wings rank? lol I'm at the very bottom) or adaman hauberk in order to make Perle unappealing. If you can agree to that, I think we have a pretty good compromise of opinion, here.

[NightShayde]

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I haven't yet ventured down from WHM-world to try opening chests in Abyssea (since we have a dedicated chest guy). Are they similar to the logic-puzzle style of the chests in the "regular" conquest areas, or are they different?

Hearing that someone went from 31-70 is making me drool. I'd love to get some jobs leveled in a hurry.

[Neverslip]

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I would still use Osode for WS because of GKT mods, but the other swaps are fine. Only other bodies that are really better than Osode are Haub +1, Usukane & Nocturnus.

I'd probably just get the Hauby +1 (600k-800k atm) and not swapping in the Perle. Unless Kirin's comes way WAY down... but I haven't really seen it start to do that too much as of yet. And I don't do {sky} as an event. I've heard soooo many horror stories. After getting my Kitty pants thru a random Dyna LS adventure, I feel as though I got a "Get out of Jail Free" card.

One aspect I really like about the Perle pc's is that when I am eating cereal and I prioritize getting the bite over switching back to TP gear cuz of the spoon or w/e distraction is at hand... I'm no longer dinged on the Slow % from the Rutters any more. I really started noticing that lately when compared to my full hasty setup.

[Malacite]

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That's Abyssea for you, I fucking love it!

It's like why ever party again? LOL and people bitched about SMN burns being broken... This really is the best thing ever to hit XI. It's fun, fast paced and virtually no job exclusion (except by a few assholes I've seen shouting in WG but F them). Got a lowbie job? No problem, stick that guy on chest duty and let the good times roll.


Honestly Abyssea is what I always wanted to see in XI - An entire alliance just plowing through mobs for epic EXP and most importantly having fun while doing it. Meriting has never been easier.
EDIT: I would still use Osode for WS because of GKT mods, but the other swaps are fine. Only other bodies that are really better than Osode are Haub +1, Usukane & Nocturnus.

[Neverslip]

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Finally got into what is dubbed an elitist Abbyssea alliance. I was there from 1015pm -130am and it's addictive properties were like meth mixed with Peggle. I went in at 25k into lvl 77 and got 10k into lvl 80 + 8 merit points + more than 150min visitant status. Was capped at 600xp/kill for a long while. Seemed that the key to Abbyssea along with the gathering of lights is using Forbidden Keys to open the chests you want.

The person opening the chests had been there for apparently 7+hrs and started as a lvl 31... reached lvl 70 by the time we quit.

In comparison the alliance I had before this unsuccessfully attempted Bakka (w/o telling me before I joined them) and we wasted everyone's time after the wipe upon trees... I came out with 7k more experience and minimal amts of cruor.

When you get it right it's incredible... but it can be failsauce. I've had more failsauce runs than epic ones... 2/6 on amazingsauce.

Since Perle came so far down in price I bought the whole thing for my SAM. I bought it with gil mainly cuz I hadn't had the epic Abbyssea experience yet and cruor was more valuable to me than just farming... lol/facepalm. Proly won't full time the whole set for battle but it sure is purdy in town. In my SAM's WS macro I am playing with switching out my Haubergeon for the P. Hauberk (idk if I want Kirin's O anymore), Wyvern H. for P. Salade (permanent switch), and Rutter Sabs for the P. Solerets (wondering if I'll miss the Attk +5). Proly start saving for a Hauby +1 still anyway... as it's plummetting in price these days.

I'll proly get the Aurora legs and feet for my DNC as they seem like pretty good upgrades... but GDI WTF is it pastel pink?!?!? ... ugh... You wouldn't see me caught dedz wearing that horrible looking set. Feel like Ralphie in The Christmas Story in that bunny get-up.

[Malacite]

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On my SAM I use;

Main: Hagun
Sub: Pole
Ammo: Sachet (+2STR, I'd rather use white or black tathlum but oh well)
Head: W. Turban
Neck: Chiv Chain
Ear 1: Brutal
Ear 2: Ethereal/Wyvern (depending on SJ)
Body: Nocturnus Mail
Hands: Dusk Gloves (considering the +1 since prices have fallen)
Ring1: Rajas
Ring2: Ecphoria
Back: Amemet +1
Waist: Headlong (still trying for swift, though Goading isn't too hard to get)
Legs: Byakko's Haidate
Feet: Fuma Sune-Ate


Major items bolded. That's 2 more haste over perle, soon to be more once I get some upgrading done. That might not matter so much when solo, but when buffs come into play and I'm nearing a haste tier, no god damn way am I sacrificing a higher tier of haste.

I'll amend my original remarks though; The set is nothing special for anyone with really good gear (in my case it's trash) but yeah for new people who don't even have sky or CoP done yes I can see this being a very nice, cheap set for some haste & accuracy. But there is much better gear available with even more on the way (which is why I'm not bothering to get a YYR; I'm sure something even nicer will be out soon, may even be AF3 Body)

[Laynton]

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On the perle set:

i dont know much about it but from what i see and understand is that unless your the hardcore PLD thats either got luck and played non-stop or been playing for 6 years and has all the best end-game gear perle is the next best thing. Its definitely not trash and it definitely not the best.

on a parallel topic the teal set is pretty damn good imo (as a RDM). I got every piece but the feet and i dont know if i will even bother with it. the body and legs are great nuking near, and i dare say some of the best outside of morrigans. the head is great for other mage jobs but i dont find it that appealing for rdm nuking. AF hat has 3 less INT yes but had 10 ele magic skill and FC. and the FC on the hat is the same as the whole set combined. the hands are straight up the enfeebling hands that i can think of atm. 3 MND 5 MACC....dont know of any hands that can beat that. The feet have +6MND and are good for a mnd build but you can get errant piggache +1 (forgot +1 name) that has same MND plus mp. so besides from morrigans the errant piggache +1 will do just as good.


On the topic of the elitist style of abyssea:

You can definitely be the elitist and get tons of exp-crour/hr and you can definitely be the casual come-anything-you-like style pt and get tons of exp-crour/hr.

Yes the elitist style will get your more exp-crour/hr in the end....plain and simple.

BUT!

The mixing pot style pt will get the same amount of exp-crour as the elitist for the same amount of time they spent inside abyssea.

As everyone knows by now every starts out with shitty exp-crour/kill. no way around it. So, lets say both groups enter at the same time in the same zone fighting the same mobs. the only difference is the job set-up. Both groups start out trying for magic kill-shots. Both groups are getting decent amount of TE chests. So at the 3hr mark the elitist group is standing with still 60min left from getting TEs and the mixing pot group is at +40min left from TEs. By an hour later the mixing pot group ends up timing out and the elitist group is going strong and calls it a night at 7hrs in.

rewards @ the end:
mixing pot group: avg 40k/hr and ended with 400exp/kill
elitist group: avg 75k/hr and ended with 600exp/kill (current know cap)

ya elitist group won out in total exp BUT if your were to take a look at the time when the mixing pot group timed out the exp/kill/hr will almost be the same as the elitist group. Every time. period. The only reason the elitist group might be at a higher exp/kill/hr ratio is because those groups tend to be the uber geared ppl and thus probably will have killed a bit faster. The only way to get to that massive amount of exp/hr is by staying it 6-7+ hours. Its more common in elitist group yes, but ive personally done it with a pick-up group from WG and we DID NOT focus on kill-shots. We called it quits at 7hrs in and with 500exp/kill.
So yes elitists will the day in regards to exp but i dont really see how it matter. b/c the mixing-pot group will have nearly the same exp/kill as the elitist group at 4 hrs in and thats really all the time i want/have to spend anyways. The mixing-pot group is the way it is because those ppl dont have the time to commit to a ls that play the elitist style other wise they would.

Theres no right and wrong way to play abyssea (on this topic). So for any elitist who is saying the mixing-pot style of play is complete bull shit is a dumb shit. Im not knocking the elitist style. If thats the way you like to play, more power to ya but dont sit here and harp that its the only way.

[ShepardG]

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On the Pearle set:
I'll rock it, until next update and other stuff comes out that's even better lol ^^

On the XP in abyssea:
Yeah, wish they'd done something like this 2 years ago. I love how everyone can level whatever job they want and it dosen't effect exp output, UNLESS they're being a jack ass and not listening to the alliance leader when it comes to kill shots.
On that note, if your not specifically worried about Time chests, or increasing the cap on exp/per kill then you can still have fun and get 20-30k an hour. which is quite good. I for one though, would rather get more than that. Call me "Elitest" all you want, and here's why, I am fucking elitest! I don't fucking play FFXI half assed. It's a game where other people depend on me to perform my best and i'll be damn if that's what i'm gonna do. I would much rather get 50k+ an hour than 30k.
Sorry, It might make you uncomfortable but if you want to be casual about the thing, that's o.k., just go be casual about it in someone elses party. If your gonna exp with me, I'm gonna expect you to perform in conjunction with the other 17 and if I fucking say WS kills, then I expect the BLM's to stop snipping killshots, and If I say Pet Kills I expect the Melee to hold off and let the Ranger frame, or the crazy ass coeurl Jug pet to kill the mob. If your to gal damn lazy to pay attention in the chat spam, or just don't care, then I'm gonna need you to look for a rep, or i'll find you one myself.

If that makes me an elitest prick, that's fine. The other 16 people that can do what's best for the group will appreciate it I'd hope.