Abyssea Experiences

[Vyuru]

Re: Abyssea Experiences

It might be worth bringing half a dozen pizzas and offering them to people who seem to need them, though.

Not a bad idea, but I'd rather afk outside the zone with a bazaar full of food and other goodies :D

[Karinya]

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I don't know about you, but I think seeing people booted because the leader didn't like their parse stats wouldn't be good for my morale. Even if I wasn't there as a DPS I'd be wondering if I was next.

But especially if I was a DPS in a party without BRD or COR support, because the people with that support are going to outparse me without hardly trying... parsers have a lot of limitations.

It might be worth bringing half a dozen pizzas and offering them to people who seem to need them, though. They're pretty cheap, aren't they? And they last 3 hours, so by the time you've identified who needs them, one pizza should pretty much last them the rest of the party unless they die.

Frequent AFK or d/c are another matter, of course. But kicking people who are trying but just don't have as good gear or are only 75/76... idk, I'd expect that to piss off as many people as it impressed. Worse if the group has a LS core with some pickups to round out the numbers; then you're either booting a LS member or opening yourself up to accusations of favoritism if you only boot the extras.

[ItazuraNhomango]

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I'm all merited out, so won't be looking for Abyssea exp for a while, but, for those build alliances for Abyssea exp'ing, this two step process for un-gimping an alliance came to me while on Allakhazam:

1. Boot frequent AFKers.

Not saying people can't take reasonable breaks; 2 min break for every 30 min of activity, 5 min for 1 hour, 10~12 min for 2 hours--whatever works. But, the frequent AFK'ers by definition frequently perform at zero, and should be booted first. Especially those prone to unannounced AFKs.

2. Have the parser open and running, and keep replacing the melees with the lowest accuracy or DPS, until the alliance can kill each critter in under 30 seconds or less.

It's not like there won't be people who want to join as DDs, so as soon as a bad DD is identified, line up a replacement. Once at camp, boot the gimp with a polite "Sorry it's not working out, but we need a stronger DD," then swap in the waiting DD.

Basically, perform, or be replaced.

* * *

Still have to do other things right, like having enough magic damage, able to produce the right lights, etc., but seeking AFK'ers booted and bad DDs replaced should be good for morale as well as making getting lights and exp faster.

[Cotners]

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Pachypodium ^^

Lycopodium is the family that Pachypodiums belong to.

[Truece]

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I was wrong

Now, eat your hat!

[ShepardG]

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Sounds like you don't really want to apologize even though you're wrong. Heck, you still seem reluctant to admit you were wrong, and that you were wrong for a pretty lousy reason ("I believe this way, but you say otherwise, so you must be ignorant!").

Tell you what, forget the apology, and just answer this:

How many Shadow Lizards have you fought?

I suspect anyone who hasn't fought those and somehow still on the fence about the Shadow Lizard linking or not linking would be reassured if you answer honestly.

Lol oh InI, I was wrong they don't link, I went and aggrod one and ran infront of another and they don't link. Picture incoming, at work right now so you'll have to wait, I just hope the smug fucking look on your face at me admiting i was wrong feels good ^^

I have fought SL's twice. sheer numbers, i haven't a clue.

See InI, unlike alot of folks on the internet I care when I'm wrong, and so will willingly admit it. I was wrong.

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IIRC, Abyssea-Tahrongi has Lycopodium (distinguished by the flower on the top of the head, instead of sprout), not the standard Mandragora.

Lycopodium never uses Dream Flower; this isn't an Abyssea specific nerf--it's not supposed to have AoE sleep to begin with.

Pachypodium ^^

[ItazuraNhomango]

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Abyssea mobs are not the same as regular mob families. Several are toned down for xp party purposes, which is why Mandies don't AoE sleep, etc.

IIRC, Abyssea-Tahrongi has Lycopodium (distinguished by the flower on the top of the head, instead of sprout), not the standard Mandragora.

Lycopodium never uses Dream Flower; this isn't an Abyssea specific nerf--it's not supposed to have AoE sleep to begin with.

[Ketaru]

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I been a real loot whore when it comes to Abyssea. So far, I've gotten (through soloing, groups, or otherwise):

Ferine Mantle
Pedant Cape
Serpentes Gloves
Artemis Medal

Most of the other people in my LS just got Thew Bomblets.

[Clever Ninja]

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Abyssea mobs are not the same as regular mob families. Several are toned down for xp party purposes, which is why Mandies don't AoE sleep, etc.

I've only ever been to Mandy's in my time there, while I like it because it's really easy to build azure and pearl light, not being able to build ruby kinda sucks when you get to the point that you're capped on both, and pretty much relying on the rare red chest that has a ruby light. So we end up capping xp at 300 then slowly working up once we get the rare ruby light which eventually leads to more chests that give ruby or ebon or gold light. Only complaint I really have at that camp.

[ItazuraNhomango]

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I'll have to check that when i get home, cause youtube is crippled on gov. computers, but if i'm wrong, I'll coneced and i'll take a picture of myself in some way apologizing in a funny way, but I'm pretty sure your wrong, and also you smell.

Sounds like you don't really want to apologize even though you're wrong. Heck, you still seem reluctant to admit you were wrong, and that you were wrong for a pretty lousy reason ("I believe this way, but you say otherwise, so you must be ignorant!").

Tell you what, forget the apology, and just answer this:

How many Shadow Lizards have you fought?

I suspect anyone who hasn't fought those and somehow still on the fence about the Shadow Lizard linking or not linking would be reassured if you answer honestly.

[ShepardG]

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I'll have to check that when i get home, cause youtube is crippled on gov. computers, but if i'm wrong, I'll coneced and i'll take a picture of myself in some way apologizing in a funny way, but I'm pretty sure your wrong, and also you smell.

[ItazuraNhomango]

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Also, go fucking aggro a lizard, and walk infront of another one. or go on wiki and read about the entire Lizard family, and how it LINKS. and remember there's about a 5 second delay on pop, before it will aggro anything. The fact that your touting all this information and you can't seem to realize this one simple fact makes me question your comprehension of all things FFXI related.

Not lizards in general, just Shadow Lizard.

Have you fought them? Even one? I've literally had witness over a thousand (if not two thousands) of them pulled and died before my eyes. No link.

And, FFXIclopedia's wiki? Abyssea - Konschtat
(No 'L' listed for Shadow Lizard in the "Notes" column.)

Want it said more explicitly? Allakhazam: Shadow Lizard

• Not Aggro
• Not Linking

How about in video form? [nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT5KM0TJJPs"]YouTube- ‪Final Fantasy XI Online: Vision of Abyssea's Abyssea-Konschtat (Shadow Lizard camp - 490,000xp+)‬‎[/nomedia]

4:36 Can see a lizard walk to the melees fighting, then just turned and kept walking.
5:16 Look at where the mages are--right near a couple of lizards. See also where a lizard is in the middle of boxes? The lizards are often fight right where they are spawn.
6:15 A small lizard walk right up to the melees fighting--no running. And, didn't link.
6:26 Hmm. lol. I'm in this video... (Didn't know that before I started watching.) Upper right hand corner of the screen. A bit unexpected, but this proves I did fight these lizards, no?

[ShepardG]

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I find that attitude offensive. If I want to play with a group, I owe the group my best effort, shout group, pickup party, or otherwise. If I don't want to put in the effort, I should leave--you wouldn't others to leech, so why do it even partially yourself?

I don't want others to leech, but they do. My half ass is usually twice as good as someone elses 100%, but I've stopped getting in arguments with idiots that can't understand why capping pearl is better than azure 1st, or who think it's o.k. to have 3 level 40's in the party with their 14 dmg Magic bursted Stone 2 nukes.

I'm not gonna waste my night, completley and totally focused on the monitor so I can skill chain as soon as i get 100tp, no i'll probably get up go get a drink, come back and WS at 140tp instead of 100.
I mean, I put more "effort" into this game than 90% of the people I play with, and that was in my LS (which I'm currently taking a break from, because i can't work on my jobs and do events every day because i work from 0530-0330 M-F) iiZerg if your curious.

But why would i leave? my entire last 2-3 posts were the fact that you can play at half assed and most of the time, your still gonna be making ridiculously good EXP. It's why people are so happy, it took a 1 in a million setup of great geared players to get anywhere near 30k/hr EXP at birds which was arguably the easiest most reliable place to level at. I mean, people can charge 500k an pull summoner burning, because people are 1. lazy, 2. uninformed, 3. don't care enough to go and do it their damn selves.

Also, go fucking aggro a lizard, and walk infront of another one. or go on wiki and read about the entire Lizard family, and how it LINKS. and remember there's about a 5 second delay on pop, before it will aggro anything. The fact that your touting all this information and you can't seem to realize this one simple fact makes me question your comprehension of all things FFXI related.

[ItazuraNhomango]

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I can't believe you didn't notice that they f'ing link, go agro one, and run it infront of another one! wtf man!

They do not link. I don't know why you do not believe me, but every single group I've had camped at the exact same spot (on the hill), where some of the Shadow Lizards would pop directly in camp. I've been there as PLD, too, so I'd definitely notice if the lizards link.

They just ... don't link. Period.

Again, yeah it was boring on brd, but I was being lazy two, and i made 60k in 2hrs and left with 113 mins on the clock, acceptable by me sure, best there is, nope, but I wasn't trying, cause if I was, I wouldn't have been in a shout group in the first place.

I find that attitude offensive. If I want to play with a group, I owe the group my best effort, shout group, pickup party, or otherwise. If I don't want to put in the effort, I should leave--you wouldn't others to leech, so why do it even partially yourself?

[ShepardG]

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I can't believe you didn't notice that they f'ing link, go agro one, and run it infront of another one! wtf man!

Like I said, pizza for two-handers. (Which implies decent sushi for one-handers.) Not a problem for any real DD who puts efforts into their builds. Even AH DDs should be able to get above 85% with ease.

This isn't a Mamool Ja THF we're talking about here.

That's all well and good, but I can't dictate what every joe schmoe eats or wears for their job. I'm saying most of the time these guys aren't breaking 85%, especial not with secretion up.

And yeah I agree brd should be pulling with elegy and Ranged weapon, considering I have 48 -pdt and but guess what, again, people that don't know or understand efficency are going to be the predominante crowd your dealing with when you /shout in WG. Am I upset when their gimpness causes a time out, or just crappy exp? sure, but i'm not beating my fucking head into a brick wall trying to teach every 14 year old on an xbox how to play their game.

Hell most schumks in those parties don't swap gear to WS. There are a thousand reason they get away with it in the social group, but i'll be damned if I'm going to attempt to "nice" them into any semblance of respectable job play. I'd quit the game before I could convince 5 people how to gear for drakesbane, when I see them WSing in dusk gear ><

Again, yeah it was boring on brd, but I was being lazy two, and i made 60k in 2hrs and left with 113 mins on the clock, acceptable by me sure, best there is, nope, but I wasn't trying, cause if I was, I wouldn't have been in a shout group in the first place.