Abyssea Experiences

[LeonstrifeLEV]

Re: Abyssea Experiences

How in the nine hells did he get it done like that? Ive had nothing but theory after theory of grinding carabosse with pickups but they all get shot down by my ls groups and whitegate itself (5 hours shouting and got 1 person and 39 "good luck with that). If he got it done like I think he did I'm gonna rage harder then I've ever raged before!

[ShadowHolyFlyingDragon]

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A little disgusted this morning...

... some duded name Umemiyo... Umemiyu or whatever on Gilgamesh finished Masamune yesterday. It only took him about a 5 days or so to get all the stuff done for it. I heard he had alot of people helping him from his linkshell; and apparently it was from simple pick-up parties in Abyessea as well while trying to shoot for the NM. They would do the NMs non-stop all day one after the other. I don't know how long it took him to work up to getting Masamune though.... but chances are with all his help it didn't take long

I mean, I'm glad for the guy that he knows how to get stuff done and has alot of friends, but some of us have a life and a job and can't devote that kind of time to a video game HAHA. I want a Gandiva! But I can't find a shell now in these dreadful last days full of people who want to be cool and do that kind of thing. I mean, I just -wonder- how people accomplish these things.

I guess only the select few who are better than everyone else can get this kinda of crap lol. There's just so much worked invovled in it. I hope FF14 isn't like this........... lol

ok done /ranting

[MrMageo]

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I don't remember who posted that Gimp abyssea parse, but I will match and raise you one.

im going to load in a photo unless I can make a table


Jobs in order
THF/NIN
BLU/NIN
DRG/SAM
BST/DNC
WAR/NIN
BLM/RDM
WAR/SAM
DRK/???
DRK/SAM
SMN/RDM
BLM/RDM
NIN/WAR
SAM/NIN
WAR/NIN (then BLM/RDM)
PLD/NIN (DD)
BLM/RDM
RDM/WHM
THF/???
RNG/NIN (then COR /???)
SCH/RDM
RDM/DRK (/DNC for a bit)
PLD/WAR (tank)
BST/???
DRK/SAM
NIN/WAR
RDM/WHM
DRG/SAM
THF/NIN (puller)
RDM/???
RDM/WHM
PUP/NIN
BLU/NIN (then RDM/BLM)
RNG/SAM
BLU/NIN





Jobs in order are
BST/WAR
BST/NIN
Diablos (blacked out by mistake)
Pets.




Healing done by jobs in order:
BLU/NIN
DRG/SAM
BST/DNC
BLM/RDM
BLM/RDM
BLM/RDM
PLD/NIN
RDM/WHM
SCH/RDM
PET (LUCKY LUSH)
RDM/DRK (/DNC)
PLD/WAR
BST/???
PET (Auto)
RDM/BLM
PLD/WAR
RDM/BLM
RDM/WHM
BLU/NIN (RDM/BLM)
BRD/WHM
BLU/NIN

Now that is bad DPS. I am sorry but like I said earlier in the thread if a RDM is out DPSing you then you are doing something wrong. I did not see one other person eat food, I was eating pizza +1. My party was BLU/BLU/BRD/RDM/BLM/RNG, so I didn't have a big haste cycle (me) or refresh cycle (blm and me) which gave me time to melee. I did however cure the most out of anyone there. (Granted I was there the longest but still the next closest to me, was still in group when I left.) I ranked 7th on total DPS (excluding magic DPS because it is broken) settling in behind RNG/SAM (31DPS) WAR/NIN (whose DPS was 19 before going to BLM), SAM/NIN (16DPS) BLU/NIN (15 DPS) DRK/SAM (12.9 DPS) BLU/NIN (12.6 DPS) RDM/DRK (12.1 DPS).

Now had I stayed RDM/DRK and only used Sanguine Blade id likely have maintained my 16DPS I had for the first couple hours, however I wanted to finish capping dagger and went /DNC for a while, and Evisceration was hardly as consistent, and my DPS suffered greatly due to it, It wasn't until I got Aeolian Edge until it started to climb again.

This is an example of people who would normally not make my cut, and an example of why I avoid random groups as much as possible. There are several DRG's WAR's NIN's DRK's that didn't break 10DPS, and focusing attention to the melee DPS only coloumn (first) I had higher melee DPS than all but 4 people. (lot DPS in Magical DPS vs BLU's and WS DPS vs Melee, however had I continued using Sanguine Blade that was likely going to be different.) The far column 3.37 represents the average of Aeolian Edge and Sanguine, and Aeolian is considerably weaker.





There is the melee ACC and crap 15 PPL under 75% ACC 17PPL under 80% only 6 people were over 85% That is sad.
(note the top 7 had the highest ACC, weird isn't it. The RNG had terrble melee ACC but i think he swung once or something)
Like I said pages ago, there is no reason for melee to be worse than a RDM, unless they are not trying or gimp as all hell. There is no reason I should be 7th over (I understand 5th in melee cuz RDM has fast melee DoT). But had these jobs ate some food, then this parse wouldn't look so bad.
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[NightShayde]

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We do that "Use Temp Items" thing, which works out nicely. When we have a SMN, that person is usually the beneficiary of the 2hr chests. Popping out Odin & killing a few beasties at a time is a good thing.

I really like going with my LS. We're pretty small (hence usually doing Abyssea with just 11 or 12 people), but we all work together very well. People know what to expect from each other, everyone knows what he/she is doing, and we don't have random people becoming asshats for no apparent reason. AFKs are announced (usually to get a snack, put kids to bed, walk dogs, or have a cigarette) and pretty short. Nobody is taking advantage of anyone else. The leaders don't have to get all shouty WITH CAPS LOCK to get people to do the desired kind of kills. It's just fun, relaxing, and quite lucrative.

[ShepardG]

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So far, we haven't taken lower-level people in to open chests. We have two (or sometimes three) people opening chests between casting spells. Most of us have keys so we can pop time chests right away -- or we can open any chest when the puzzle-solving aspect isn't working out.

This^^

Again Abyssea Parties:

- People AFKing randomly until it gets to the point where 4-6 people are AFK
- eat some friggin food folks, I mean Chiefkabobs are like 3-4k a stack?
- Insta pop- gold, ruby, and here's the nice trick with Blue's
-after awhile and your checking your Capped blue chests, open a temp item chest, and then tell everyone to use theirs, which are really awesome, and last about 5 mins i think?
-Spam all chests until those buff's wear, then if you haven't gotten Temp items in the chest spam, go back to checking blue chests until you find another temp, and do a caps lock message in party chat, i like : USE TEMPS, 20 SECONDS X3 (start count after the third message)

Unless your doing a certain type of party, 2hr reset for blms is the most beneficial as it resets their MP.

Just food for thought really.

[NightShayde]

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I finally tried 2 abyssea xp PT.... horrible horrible! It take 5-6 hours to get 150k xp total? wouldn't i get more mana burn every hour?

What were you fighting?

On Friday, we had 11 people & we got over 200k in roughly 4.5 hours in La Theine. Most of us had been capped at level 80, and we all wound up about 12k into level 85. We stopped with 100 minutes left just because people were tired (LS group - we usually go for 4-5 hours and stop).

So far, we haven't taken lower-level people in to open chests. We have two (or sometimes three) people opening chests between casting spells. Most of us have keys so we can pop time chests right away -- or we can open any chest when the puzzle-solving aspect isn't working out.

[ShepardG]

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There is no denial that DNC can out TP a sam consider the speed a dnc can hit.

If you have joytoy with sword merit. You can have 2 weapon hit 2-3 time on each head with a 50% double atk (or higher if you have the gear) running @ MAX haste (dual weild V).

Then again dnc's normal dmg is so shitty you should worry about hitting 0 or not, @least i am ..since i am a taru.

I finally tried 2 abyssea xp PT.... horrible horrible! It take 5-6 hours to get 150k xp total? wouldn't i get more mana burn every hour?

Alright, here's my observations about how to get the best Exp on Mandies in Tahrongi-Aby:

1. Get 100 keys, possibly more, but 100 to start.

2. Show up to the party

3. make the following macro, /item "Forbidden Key" <stnpc>

4. Spam every chest that drops

5. get 600xp per kill in 3-4hrs.

Major factors that inhibit XP

1. Everyone standing around Checking chests...

2. Having 3-4 players level 60 or below (I don't mind 1 maybe 2, if everyone else is on point, but 4 level 38's running around popping chests is bullshit now that everyone can get 100 keys for 50k curor in 15 seconds)

tbc.

[Ketaru]

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I finally tried 2 abyssea xp PT.... horrible horrible! It take 5-6 hours to get 150k xp total? wouldn't i get more mana burn every hour?

1) Even if all you got for 5 hours of play was 150K, that's still 30K per hour.

2) You can't manaburn on WAR.

[MrMageo]

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Then you need to put more ATK into your build. DNC gets access to more Base Damage daggers than RDM and a slightly higher skill (therefore the slightly higher base attack). This means you should be able to deal damage if I can with a Blau Dolch. What food do you eat? I can get around a 90% ACC rate with 22% gear haste /DNC which means a DNC sould be able to get 95% with the same or similar haste. I also have over 400ATK pre food, which means I wind up around 450ATK unless im getting minuet in which case I clear 500. (i use marinera pizza +1)

Avg DMG is 30-40 per swing main and off hand a DNC should be able to get that same amount of damage. So hitting for 0's, are you talking about NM's?

Also I hope a DNC can average 500-600DMG, I average 400-500 damage with evisceration, 500-600 on piercing weak mobs, and my WS set is still missing a few items that should push me up another 50 or so.

[wrongfeifong]

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There is no denial that DNC can out TP a sam consider the speed a dnc can hit.

If you have joytoy with sword merit. You can have 2 weapon hit 2-3 time on each head with a 50% double atk (or higher if you have the gear) running @ MAX haste (dual weild V).

Then again dnc's normal dmg is so shitty you should worry about hitting 0 or not, @least i am ..since i am a taru.

I finally tried 2 abyssea xp PT.... horrible horrible! It take 5-6 hours to get 150k xp total? wouldn't i get more mana burn every hour?

[ShepardG]

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Doesn't Climatic Flourish (1:30 recast) share timer with Reverse Flourish (:30 recast)? Not to mention consuming all the Finishing Moves?

Like WFF said, they don't share timer, but you are correct it's not really advisable to worry about using climactic flourish, i ment that more as a capablities brief. Nomrally don't use C. Flourish for the reasons you stated.

So
No Foot rise > 3min re-cast i think? 75tp
Meditate > 3 min re-cast 60tP
Reverse Flourish (5/5) > 30 seconds > 75TP

so every 30 seconds you should be spaming 5/5 RF, which should equal about 45tp, to get full finishing moves.

I will attempt to save face a bit, and say that i was stupid when i said twice each mob, but i will say I probably averaged some close to 2 WS's every 1.5 mobs. I'll try and run a parser the next time i'm meriting on dnc, to get some decent "official" numbers.

Also Pyrric Kleos for me does 500+ most times with decent attack food (carbo, yellow curry, Pizza)
I got 6/8 Dagger merits, no closed position merits,

Here's my WS set, which is mainly dex, but I could probably push my avg dmg up with some more str... hmmm...anyway:

Auric dagger (just got this, i was so stoked)
Azoth (working on ...like 4 different dagers ><)
Thew Bomblet

Maat's cap
Love Torque
Pixie Earring
Brutal Earring

Antares Harness ( I'm thinking that aurore body might be better, not sure though)
Dancer's Bangles +1
Thunder Ring
Rajas Ring

Nifty Mantle
Cuchulain's Belt
Tumbler's Trunks
Etoile Shoes +1

[wrongfeifong]

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climatic flourish is flourish III so it shouldn't share timer with reverse flourish.

each flourish got different timer.

It is very possible to step, WS with 100 TP, step, (assume you get multi hit here) reverse, step 2 +presto, WS again. i think.

But i haven't really play dnc in a long while. It was never hard to Self-chain WS without mediate for me as long i have haste + brd song.

But i can imagine someone does evirsation > pyrhic kaoes for darkness with presto.

[ItazuraNhomango]

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DNC/Sam can WS every Mob twice, even when their lasting 20-30 seconds.

I've yet to see this.

Presto+step >> 5 finish moves + Reverse Flourish with 5/5 merits >>> 75 TP every like 30-60 seconds (less if you have building flourish merits)

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Also Pyric Kleos for 500-600 DMG + Climactic Flourish level 4-5 + 800-1000dmg Evisceration + 500-1000 dmg Darkness I'm pretty sure i could out DD some pretty damn nice 2 handers considering I can do that twice in 5 minutes, and that's rabbit pie, i could push those numbers higher with red curry, or carbonara

Doesn't Climatic Flourish (1:30 recast) share timer with Reverse Flourish (:30 recast)? Not to mention consuming all the Finishing Moves?

Using Climatic Flourish doesn't seem compatible with the goal of WS'ing as often as possible.

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Have not seen 500-600 average damage on Abyssea NQ monsters from Pyrrhic Kleos, but haven't seen many DNCs in Abyssea to begin with.

[ShepardG]

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Probably the DDs who can output WS every 30 seconds, I think.

Like dancers ! oh i went there ^^


and then i read the rest of your post...

DNC/Sam can WS every Mob twice, even when their lasting 20-30 seconds. I'm not joking. DNC/sam rape any other job when it comes to TP. Presto is 30 second recast, 30 sec duration doubles the return on finish moves, and pushes your step acc (if your also gearing for ACC) to 95%. Sooo you have>

Saber dance >> near 100 fist swinging speed for about 2 mins slowing down to
Presto+step >> 5 finish moves + Reverse Flourish with 5/5 merits >>> 75 TP every like 30-60 seconds (less if you have building flourish merits)
Meditate >>> 60 TP every 3 mins
Along with +15 STP from job traits, +6ish from gear (raja+brutal) I mean... and I have shitty weapons, (azoth+jamby +1)

not to mention I was spamming Divine Waltz II, cure bombs...

Sam is no longer the king of TP, Dancer holds that crown hands down ^^

Also Pyric Kleos for 500-600 DMG + Climactic Flourish level 4-5 + 800-1000dmg Evisceration + 500-1000 dmg Darkness I'm pretty sure i could out DD some pretty damn nice 2 handers considering I can do that twice in 5 minutes, and that's rabbit pie, i could push those numbers higher with red curry, or carbonara

Shit is sick sick sick ^^

(also won a dark ring with : -4 PDT, -2BreathDT with a 992 last night ^^ i was so fucking stoked 2/5 on crests)

sorry got side tracked but my point was:

Dancers, If they are going full out DD, should be WS'ing twice on each mob, less only because it would be a waste of TP or your going for specific lights and don't want to kill stuff even in the best Merit parties ^^

[ItazuraNhomango]

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What's with all the THF not a good DD in abyssea talk? Seriously? We're TP machines that can put out decent weapon skills consistantly, what group wouldn't love Dancing Edge every minute?

Who would say the THFs who outputs a DE every minute are bad DD? Probably the DDs who can output WS every 30 seconds, I think.

Can you add dnc in the formula, when i left ...everyone tell me "dnc" is not a DD.

I barely get anything on DNC even when i can hit like a ninja and does dancing edge 2-5 times a fight.

WS 2-5 times per fight? Really? lol. Not sure about the new zones, but if monsters last long enough that you can average over 2 WS per fight in Abyssea exp pre-update, that would be one laughably bad alliance.

Heck, if on DNC you can WS 2-5 times per fight on average in the good old meripo, would you have wanted to be in that party?