PLs

[Vejiita]

Re: PLs

I kind of have to disagree, if you have a WHM in your party, how are they going to get there "Healing" up? If the PLer, is doing all the work, why bother having a WHM or being one for that matter? (Same goes for rdm and sch) I mean, if I was a whm, I wouldnt want some PLer coming along and doing all of the work that I am doing. I would honestly feel like I am no good. Because, why would they need a PLer if I was doing my job right? ...

Hehe, you never had ME as a PLer my friend

I'm one of the kind you see. When I'm PLing I am *not* the main healer ! nope... and I refuse to be if there's a healer in the PT.

I want them to skill up and feel the stress and responsibility of main healing, so I'm there to backup in case of big AoE, to remove stupid effects (stona and such) and to haste the DD. I will also main heal when the healer has no more mp and rest, to keep the xp flowing, but that tank have to voke... he need to skill up too. Especially PLD and NIN !!! Shield, parry and evade doesn't skill-up doing nothing ! :D

See, you *want* me as a PLer

The only exception to my rules is if the PT afk for higer level protect and shell. It helps everybody. But I would prefer to have the whm of the party to do it and learn when to time the casting mid-fight versus his cures and such

PS: Duoing dnc with my gf, level 10 now and having a blast... had to say it... I post once or twice every years >.>

PPS: All the thread I post in dies after my posts... must be boring or somethin'

[Jarre]

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In my experience of being PL'd ina party the whm becomes lazy and preferes to toss out entheebles rather than concentrate on curing. the result? Pl had to go, we started fighting a IT mob, we wipped, Why? because the WHM still was entheebling and not watching everyones HP bars. problem is with people gettign lazy like that it follows them up, you say well don't invite them, well until their in teh aprty and fought a few mobs you don't know what a person is like.

on the other side there are BLM who nuke the shit out of things because they know if they get hate the PL will cure bomb them. PL goes, they still nuke the shit, the Tank can't pull hate off, blm dies, blames everyone, party leader (cocksucker) kicks you for not being a good tank. BLM had cast 8 tier 2 spells one after another, flash+provoke + 3 cure 3's + provoke + flash again could not pull the hate off him even with me wearing a breath mantle and useing it (+5 emnity).

Being Pl'd makes people careless, they get into a habit of game dynamics with a pl that when there isn't one they don't change and cause problems in parties.

Pl'ing just makes you lazy and retarded.

[Mfume]

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I kind of have to disagree, if you have a WHM in your party, how are they going to get there "Healing" up? If the PLer, is doing all the work, why bother having a WHM or being one for that matter? (Same goes for rdm and sch) I mean, if I was a whm, I wouldnt want some PLer coming along and doing all of the work that I am doing. I would honestly feel like I am no good. Because, why would they need a PLer if I was doing my job right? There are alot of things that dont quite make sense to me, in that paragraph!

I also, know that your saying the PLer would help. But, one would think that is a whm anyway, why am I hear? if I attack I will die, if I use divine magic it wont do anything. If I heal it wont heal anybody, I know that you can still skill up your magic skills without doing anything at all. But, I honestly if I was a healer would want to help, and if I wasn't I wouldnt want to be in that party. Enough said!

Oh, I also forgot something, what you said in your last paragraph is alot dumb, Why you ask? Because, to me if being a noob and all to the game, (not a stupid one either) If every time I was going to a hard place to fight in a battle and there was always a PLer there. I would get used to that idea, so lets say I get used to that idea, and then I go there, and there is no PLer..oops! In other words, I feel like if u get so used to that, or anything just like in the real world, you will begin to think that it will always happen. In this case it always wont happen. So I think using a PLer to help, wouldnt really help because you aren't learning on your own. If you dont want your party to die, go someware ware you wont die, or get a better WHM not a PLer. Its not the answer to your problems people!!

(I know my spelling and writting sucks right now, I just woke up so give me a break.)

[Greyfist]

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Actual powerleveling is non-existent in FFXI thanks to the monster claim system. What people call powerleveling here is basically nothing more than having a high-level guardian angel hanging around to keep a party safe from wandering monsters that might link and slaughter the lowbies. The higher-level person casting heals on party members speeds things up a little over the party's own healers doing the healing, but not by much. Safety is what the PLer is actually providing, and I'm not at all too proud to take it.

I was in a trio party in Qufim the other week, hunting worms around the lake. Problem being, of course, all the stupid undead that would pop up there at night and slaughter us if we didn't leave by nightfall. A member of my LS was bored and dropped in, killing the undead as they spawned to keep the area clear for us to fight. I didn't ask him to do it, but I'm very glad he did.

At higher levels a party's more capable of dealing with links and unexpected surprises, and the benefit of having someone with a 75 job hanging around starts to diminish; it's no coincidence that you see fewer and fewer PLers as you push into the 30s. I don't see the practice as harmful to most jobs; the PLer can't kill the monster, so the damage-dealers still have to perform. The only person in a party who might level up without learning to do their job is the healer, but healing isn't rocket science; the healer would have to be supremely deficient to not be able to learn the ropes on their own.

[Nuriko]

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That's what I say when I try to do WHM Tanking.

Don't give up on it just yet ... I ended up tanking one of a pair of mission pops as WHM today! Of course, that was just so the DDs were free to kill the OTHER pop while the other WHM kept them up...

[Nymphadora]

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I don't think it has made that big a difference. I've made use of PL's when they were available, but I haven't gone out of my way to be PL'd. I pay attention to other players, take their suggestions into consideration, and try to play my job the way it was meant to be played, to the best of my ability. I don't depend on PLs. But I guess there are always going to be people in the game who use it as a crutch.

Edit: Aaaaaaaaaaaannnnndd... I know how to make a macro, lol. :D

[Prons]

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I've had it done on Valkurm Dunes and Qufim Parties. In retrospect I don't know if it made that huge of a difference. I can easily see why people would want them (especially people who've gone through VD more than 3 times), but I don't know how much it helps new players learn about their jobs.

And who the hell decides what FFXI jobs are 'meant' to be?

That's what I say when I try to do WHM Tanking.

[Mfume]

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And who the hell decides what FFXI jobs are 'meant' to be?

SE? Thats why they are jobs?? O_O

[Feba]

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I didn't say "as SE meant it to be."

And who the hell decides what FFXI jobs are 'meant' to be?

[TheGrandMom]

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by that logic almost nobody in a party is having any freakin' fun at all.
FFXI jobs are so bastardized there's no point trying to play "as it's meant to be".

Oh Feba, you know what I meant. I didn't say "as SE meant it to be."

as long as the person is competent enough to play that job independent of outside assistance.

And that is why I stated NEW players. New players are learning the dynamics of the job so p/l'ing can hinder that. Too many times I've had tanks in a non-p/l'd pt in the lower lvls that didn't know they were supposed to provoke or use other job abilities for hate because they "never had to do it before". I don't mind someone having a person stand by for a link or a raise or such, but changing the entire dynamics of the pt by taking away the risk just doesn't give new players the experiences they need to learn.
It's just like real life. My g/f was coddled all her life and when we got an apartment together we had some real disasters. Dish soap in the dishwasher >< Turned the refrigerator up to its highest setting cause "I like my milk cold" so most of the food was nearly frozen and ruined >< Didn't know how to use a plunger and the toilet was plugged and she had a party and they just kept using it AND the bathtub (she figured I'd fix it when I got home) >< People need to have experience in things in order to handle situations when they arise, in game and out.

I've had a PL in Buburimu.
If you don't understand game dynamics at level fifty, it's not because you've had a PL or two. It's because you didn't care to learn, because it's not that difficult.

At lvl 50 I had a pt with a blm that didn't know how to make a macro. How did we know this? Because we wanted him to burst with Freeze and say in his macro when to go. He expressed that he didn't have a macro and we said we'd wait till he made one. We even told him the /wait time to put in. Five minutes later we were wondering wth was going on and he finally admitted he had never made a macro before because he'd always had a p/l 'er. >< We talked him through the macro process and 15 minutes later we started fighting only to find that he couldn't burst either.........guess why? Yep...cause he never had to do it before because he'd always been p/l'd. ><

[Mfume]

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I personally can't stand the idea of powerleveling. It's just a pet peeve of mine. If you're too lazy to level your job right, don't level it. There's plenty of other people playing your job who'd love to have your spot in the party.

I agree, its a act of lazyness, if you dont have the time to level, then dont level untill you do have the time. It's that easy people!!

[DakAttack]

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I've had a PL in Buburimu.

If you don't understand game dynamics at level fifty, it's not because you've had a PL or two. It's because you didn't care to learn, because it's not that difficult.

[Feba]

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and you can't do that unless you are playing your job the way it's meant to be.

by that logic almost nobody in a party is having any freakin' fun at all.

FFXI jobs are so bastardized there's no point trying to play "as it's meant to be".

As far as PLs go, I personally see no problem with them, as long as the person is competent enough to play that job independent of outside assistance. It's a legitimate practice to increase leveling speed, and as long as people know what the hell they're doing there are no negative reasons against it.

[Silent Howler]

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And no, it may not be the best and most respectable way to level a job in the long run, if you continually stay at it. The reason is, while a good pl every once in a while can be helpful, excessive pl'ing can actually keep you from really experiencing and learning your chosen job. That's the main thing you'd have to watch out for.

I think the higher people get the less they accept PLs. I remember being my WHM and the only healing for the party in the Crawlers Nest. I had to leave soon, but could not find a replacement. I asked if they cound get a PL instead, but three people responded with "lol (No thanks.)"

[TheGrandMom]

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I am also not a fan of p/l'ing. I have done it on rare occasions but only for people that I know have lvl 75 job(s) and are competent players. If I am lvling a new job and in a pt with new players and someone brings a p/l'er, I leave. It's not so much because I'm against p/l'ing new players, its more because I get frustrated and end up not enjoying myself.

New players need to learn the dynamics of the game and you can't do that unless you are playing your job the way it's meant to be. The beginning levels are so important. Too many times I've gotten into the 50+ range and had people not know something and when asked why they comment that they had a friend/family member p/l them so they just didn't know. When you get into the upper lvls and you pt with someone that plays so badly that you get really frustrated just chalk it up to being p/l'd because most of the time thats part of the reason. (Some people just don't give a flying fart and suck outright. )