PLs

[DakAttack]

Re: PLs

Seriously whats the point if anyone can make a character that fast, they may as well just add a /level XX command.

Would be nice...

[CroweMidgard]

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I made a buff bot\Instance mule on girlfriends account. The fact that I leveled a character from 12-40+ in less than week of farming without really trying actually was the nail in the coffin for my hardcore WOW playing. Now I just play with static and thats it.

Seriously whats the point if anyone can make a character that fast, they may as well just add a /level XX command.

[DakAttack]

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Now WOW is different story, take a 70 Protection Paladin and jump instance to instance and you'll have a level 70 of whatever in 2 days... thats abuse, and no way anyone is benefitting

Man, it took me two days just to get to the first instance.

[Mfume]

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Feba has issues, so does this topic! I think that their are more important things to worry about in this game, basides PLing.

[Feba]

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it helps people who are already lazy and retarded get farther than they would without the PL.

So does partying with stupid people at all. There are tons of fuckwits that got to 75 without PLs or buying their account.

Unless you suggest SE require an intelligence test in place of genkai 1, we're fucked no matter what we do.

[ioshua]

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No, being lazy and retarded makes you lazy and retarded.

PLing doesn't make you lazy and retarded, however, it helps people who are already lazy and retarded get farther than they would without the PL. FFXI, like EQ and unlike WoW, punishes stupidity firmly enough that slackass morons are more often weeded out when they actually have to work for their levels.

I request two things of PLers. 1) Make sure the person/people you're helping don't suck because they'll make my game unfun later. 2) Don't hog all the damn spawns, you dickweed. You're making my game unfun now.

You shouldn't help stupid people get ahead just because you have the power to do so. There's a whole political argument I could start here but I won't. Also, if you have the power to help someone in a way that doesn't screw with everyone else (ex: fighting in areas too dangerous for normal groups but not for someone with a PL) then do so. It's called being respectful of others. I realize that this is the internet and anonymity magically allows everybody to treat everybody else like crap but, again, just because you can doesn't mean you should.

[Evion]

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I hate having a main healer PL while I'm WHM/RDM with no communication. Of course I'll be enfeebling to help the PT somehow if the PL is healing everyone. And then, the F N PL goes AFK and I get blamed. Just don't like it... Happened once or twice before.

[CroweMidgard]

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I got to agree, I run into just as many high level bad players that got to where they are without Powerleveling. I think many people see lazy players and assume PLing.

I also think PLing in FFXI is very limited, and a party with a PLer can perform identical to a normal party, If the party does not get lazy. If the best PL parties are usually the ones where the pary work effeciently on its own, and the PLer just reduces thier downtimes.

Now WOW is different story, take a 70 Protection Paladin and jump instance to instance and you'll have a level 70 of whatever in 2 days... thats abuse, and no way anyone is benefitting

[Feba]

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Pl'ing just makes you lazy and retarded.

No, being lazy and retarded makes you lazy and retarded. I've had plenty of PLs, both with and without parties, and never have trouble adjusting back to soloing or partying without one. PLing is just another type of party, saying that it makes you suck is like saying a THF that parties with PLDs sucks. It's just not true.

[DakAttack]

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I was in the dunes and got picked up as a DD for a PT once. We just sat there and sat there, so I was like "So, can we start yet?". They say, "just wait and the mobs will come to us". Apparently 3/6 of the people in our PT were master players and asked a couple of their master friends to "pull" for them. So their lv 75 puller friends would do this. Pop a dia on one goblin and then run around the entire dunes linking every goblin. They showed up at our camp with about 30+ goblins and all the hate, especially while they cure bombed us. We'd just pull goblins off them one at a time and never died. That was the only time I ever did that, and it was soo sweet. That was my only REAL PL experience, other than my PLing/backup for others.

That is awesome.

[Evion]

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I agree with that. I've only been PL'd in the dunes before, which IMHO is very appreciated. That seems to be the one place where levels, abilities, and xp mobs can cause a bad situation in need of PL. I believe that PLs are most useful when good players want xp fast with no down time.

I did have one guy tip me 80K for 2 hours of PLing him from 13-18 in the dunes, which was awesome!

[Callisto]

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I agree that excessive coddling by PLs can lead alot of people to get to 75 without knowing a damn thing about their jobs, but at the same time, I wouldn't turn a PL down from 10-40 in most cases, because after taking 13-14 jobs through Valkurm/Qufim/Jungles/Garlaige you just want to get the grind over with as soon as possible.

[Evion]

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I was in the dunes and got picked up as a DD for a PT once. We just sat there and sat there, so I was like "So, can we start yet?". They say, "just wait and the mobs will come to us". Apparently 3/6 of the people in our PT were master players and asked a couple of their master friends to "pull" for them. So their lv 75 puller friends would do this. Pop a dia on one goblin and then run around the entire dunes linking every goblin. They showed up at our camp with about 30+ goblins and all the hate, especially while they cure bombed us. We'd just pull goblins off them one at a time and never died. That was the only time I ever did that, and it was soo sweet. That was my only REAL PL experience, other than my PLing/backup for others.

[DakAttack]

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My g/f was coddled all her life and when we got an apartment together we had some real disasters.

You have a girlfriend??? My grand-dad has a girlfriend too. Old people... crazy.

At lvl 50 I had a pt with a blm that didn't know how to make a macro. How did we know this? Because we wanted him to burst with Freeze and say in his macro when to go. He expressed that he didn't have a macro and we said we'd wait till he made one. We even told him the /wait time to put in. Five minutes later we were wondering wth was going on and he finally admitted he had never made a macro before because he'd always had a p/l 'er. >< We talked him through the macro process and 15 minutes later we started fighting only to find that he couldn't burst either.........guess why? Yep...cause he never had to do it before because he'd always been p/l'd. ><

I think that's just an excuse. If you don't know the basics of the game it's not because somebody was helping you level up faster, it's because you didn't put the time into learning them. I knew what I was doing on every job I've ever played long before I played it, regardless if I had a PL help me through the dunes or the jungles. It's just a difference in purpose.

[Ellipses]

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On my previous character, I got PLed as WHM pretty much exclusively halfway through the jungles. I don't like it, but I don't like to bitch, either. I'm about the last person to leave a party, even if it's awful.

Capping Healing magic and still doing your job as a WHM is not that hard even with a PL. You can target your party faster than they can (F1-F6, target up/down, <p0-5> if you swing that way), and you can see everyone's HP at once, instead of just the one person you're targeting. Unless the PL has a whole macro set devoted entirely to PLing (and, y'know, if they do. . . weirdo), there is no reason you can't make them pretty redundant and obsolete.

The only real exception is you end up resting a bit longer on some fights that you'd normally make the puller wait on.

I'm not defending PLs for new players, which is just poison; and certainly there are lazy people who use the PL to not-learn. But a PL shouldn't be able to stop you from doing almost all of your job as a WHM if you don't want them to. Hell, firing off cures and status removals faster than the PL can is a good skill to develop.