PLs

[Yellow Mage]

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It's easier to express my dismay with a picture.

Because everything that I do has an effect on what happens to you.

[ItazuraNhomango]

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I like to PL newbie players who join our LS. >_>;

By doing that, I get to chat them up, use bunch /emote's, answer questions about the game, and give out advices. If they are in party, I ask the tanks to keep using Provoke, and let the healers handle as much as they can, so I add a few cures to lighten the load or handle emergencies.

I've taught people to skillchain, magic burst, Sneak Attack, tank, main heal, etc. while PL'ing. ._. Honestly, I'm not an evil PL'er. I think.

[Nymphadora]

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I hate having a main healer PL while I'm WHM/RDM with no communication. Of course I'll be enfeebling to help the PT somehow if the PL is healing everyone. And then, the F N PL goes AFK and I get blamed. Just don't like it... Happened once or twice before.

Yeah, you always have to pay attention to the PL, lol! I've been in situations with unreliable pl's plenty of times before. Once when I was leveling WHM in the dunes, we had this guy show up wanting to PL us, run off and return with a higher level job and just start randomly cure-bombing us. A few minutes later, he somehow aggroed a couple gobs and we ended up watching him run off down the beach! XD

It's been quite a while since I've really been pl'd as a whm, but one way I've gotten around that is to throw my own cures into the mix and to make sure to keep a careful watch on everyone's HP even if I'm only serving as support healer beside the PL. Because, you never know...

[DakAttack]

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I don't care how long it takes me to get anywhere, as far as leveling goes, but I will never use a powerleveler. Ever.

It's easier to express my dismay with a picture.

[Yellow Mage]

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I don't care how long it takes me to get anywhere, as far as leveling goes, but I will never use a powerleveler. Ever.

[Malacite]

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Death to PLs, especially those who help R-tards take camps they'd otherwise die in (like these 2 assholes the other day in qufim who were soloing IT worms (one was RDM, one was RNG) at the lake, screwing up my PT pretty bad...


Honestly, gtfo. Don't fucking solo with a PL where you'd normal get reamed, especially when you're ruining the EXP of a party. 6 > 1

[Pteryx]

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I've been on the receiving end of PLs at low levels, in and out of parties, whether I wanted it or not. (For getting through level 13 on subless RDM, it actually helped, though.) I grudgingly put up with being PLed in parties at Dunes levels, start complaining in the 20s, and utterly refuse to accept it in the 30s, to the point of letting myself be kicked out of parties from the racket I make. I don't ask for a PLer unless I'm really, really stuck on something I need to level, as I was at BLM (was it 7? 8?) for some time. I discourage them in parties.

As for me being on the giving end of PLing, I say enough on the subject here:

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=24842095&postID=114848505239816674

[Mog]

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I would never attempt to dual box PL myself in a party. Generally it's easy to set the other character on /follow and just mash a cure macro over and over when necessary. Definitely not gonna mess with targeting multiple people.

It's pretty difficult to do, but it can be done. Really, you just need to pay attention to if anyone's going in the yellow/orange. If so, just switch to the other system and throw them a cure.

Took me awhile to get used to, but I'm pretty good at it now.

[Aksannyi]

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I would never attempt to dual box PL myself in a party. Generally it's easy to set the other character on /follow and just mash a cure macro over and over when necessary. Definitely not gonna mess with targeting multiple people.

[Mog]

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Every once in a while (and back when I had my ex's computer after he moved out) I would dual box PL myself.

Lol, I actually do that everytime I level a low level job. I just hop on my best friend's whm and switch between my ps2 and computer. Granted, it's really hard to play ninja while doing this, but at least nobody's dying! x.x

[Aksannyi]

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Almost everyone has been PL'ed at some point. From 10-30 it's hard to avoid, actually, and sometimes even later than that. -.-

Do I PL? Rarely. From time to time I will PL a friend if I've got nothing better to do, also one time I was in a party in Qufim with no main healer, when our PL left and some of our members were close to leveling I went back to change jobs and PL them to their level so they could disband happy. Generally, I don't PL though.

Every once in a while (and back when I had my ex's computer after he moved out) I would dual box PL myself.

[Truece]

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I hate having a main healer PL while I'm WHM/RDM with no communication. Of course I'll be enfeebling to help the PT somehow if the PL is healing everyone. And then, the F N PL goes AFK and I get blamed. Just don't like it... Happened once or twice before.

Of course, a PL does not make a party WHM incapable of curing. Got a PL but your tank is getting dangerously low on HP? Throw a cure. This happened this week to me in the dunes as I was levelling SCH. I had Cure I & II available, was the only healer, and we had a PL. They said "don't cure the tank" and at the beginning of each fight wanted to let the tank get into dangerously low health before throwing a big cure to get hate. However, there was no way I was gonna let the health of my tank get so low that a crit might take them out. Since the PL was only using Cure III (for 200ish) and the tank had ~400 HP, I would keep the tank in the 150-200 range until the PL cure bombed. This kept the tank relatively safe from the stray-crit-death and still allowed the PL to take hate with a big cure at the beginning (and of course, lose it to my Dark Arts chain nuking at the end of the fights).

Also, what is it with people assuming that a PT cannot function normally with a PL. There is no reason a tank can't be a tank even when a PT has a PL. "Don't voke off of the PL" is a bunch of crap. The only thing that accomplishes is loose hate on the PL, and the BLM taking a beating when they over-nuke, and then death... Really, how can a big DD job learn to walk the hate line when no hate line exists?

Let's try this instead: next time you find yourself in a PT with a PL, insist on trying to keep party dynamics normal. Let your tank try to keep hate: 'voke every 30 seconds, use JAs, etc. Don't allow enmity to slip to a point where a mage takes hate from a single high-powered nuke near the end of the fight. Doing this actually makes it easier for the PL (since they don't have to tab around to find out who is taking the most damage), and less dangerous for the rest of the PT. This would also allow the WHM or healer to maintain their function, since they could agree that the PL will keep the tank healthy, and leave the rest of the PT's health to the PT WHM or healer.

If the tank tries very hard to keep hate, then the PL can focus on just that one person. The PT healer can then focus on buffing/debuffing the PT as well as healing everyone else in the PT. In this manner, the WHM (or whichever healer you've got) still learns how to remove ailments from their PT members, the tank still learns how to tank (and more power to 'em if they can pull it off if they've got a 75 cure-bombing), and the big DD/spike damage guys don't have to worry about pulling hate at the end of the fight because enmity got out of control.

I have been on all sides of the PL. I have been the "don't voke off me" PL, the "I'm just here to clean up messes" PL, the "I'll top everyone off so the healer can rest MP" PL, the "I'll handle links and raises, otherwise I'm AFK" PL, and the "if the tank won't try to keep hate off of me then I wont PL" PL.

I really think that keeping party mechanics intact regardless of the PL is definitely the most efficient way to make use of a PL and PT healer, while still allowing everyone to learn how to do their jobs.

[Telera]

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No, being lazy and retarded makes you lazy and retarded. I've had plenty of PLs, both with and without parties, and never have trouble adjusting back to soloing or partying without one. PLing is just another type of party, saying that it makes you suck is like saying a THF that parties with PLDs sucks. It's just not true.

QFT.

I've been pl'd. I was pl'd before I had my subjob even, years ago. Guess what? I'm still a damn good healer, I 'grew up' to be a damn good healer, and I take pride in being able to keep my party alive. If people took 5 minutes to read even a basic guide on their job, then they'd pick up the basics, regardless of being pl'd or not. The 'intricacies' of a job come to you over time, and being pl'd or not being pl'd has less to do with it than if said person is a total fucking retard or not.

Powerlevlling gets me out of boring fucking jobs (read: Warrior for my Dragoon, eventual ninja on my taru for bst) quicker, and I couldn't care less if someone wants to help that along.

My tarutaru is levelling White Mage currently. We had a pl in the jungles. As a rule, I try to still heal, even with a pl, and just let them be there more for when the puller is a dumbfuck. But he insisted I skill up Divine, so I did. If I cured, he got upset, so I let him cure, and I nearly capped Divine. Enfeeb has been capped every level from doing blm first. XD Doesn't take much to recap it each ding.

So I was actually happy. I gained some good Divine skill ups for when I get to actually dedicate time to bst.

[Feba]

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It's not that big of a deal, just switch to DD mode. WHM and PLD can in fact be decent DDs when they want.

[DieselBoy09]

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I'm against them unless I'm playing a random DD or black/red mage. If you're a tank it takes away from your skills when the PL takes too much hate, and as a whm its annoying to not be getting enough healing skill ups because some guy is curing your party with cure IV's not giving you a chance to heal any HP.