FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

[Sevv]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

If he's caught he will.

Half of the evidence used to track him dow, including his name why they would suspect him etc, to launch this investigation, is the same evidence Ganiman/Wikia would need to discredit to keep themselves clean.

Is there a chance he could go to jail? Yes

Is it likely any legal action will be taken any way? No

Did SE already cover that they are paying Ganiman? Yes

[Rylan Hart]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

He wont be going to jail.

If he's caught he will.

[Sevv]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

Quote-a-thon incoming all right!

I like how SevIfrit's quote-a-thon's all boil down to the other person "didn't read it" simply because he does not agree with them and, ironically, he doesn't read thier posts, either. He just dissects them down into numerous quotes to distort the original intent fo the post.

Seeing that much of the people I had quoted and said read the second thread before commenting on the matter, actually didn't know their was a second thread, they really didn't read. I do read all of your posts as well as every post in a thread. I break them apart where you stop your thoughts, if your thoughts in any post can not stand on their own, then your thought fails.

That's not reading, that's selective reading coupled with shoving words in people's mouths. At least Amele proves that even in disagreement, she can take a point in context and discuss it, whether she's right or wrong.

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I've never liked BG as a community. Not since the day I started reading thier forums early in the game. While there are plenty of people there that provide good information with good intention, the community of BG has a collective habit that is essentially no better than the "Allazites" they like to frown on - shoving thier ideals down our throats. They have not right to try and distinguish themselves as upper-crust when they're the same as "Allazites."
There are people that recognize that and that is why they don't like BG. I didn't like BG well before they decided to attack LBR or FFXIC. Taj made the post, he's hardly even big poster there, BG made it their cause to attempt to ruin and vandalize the wiki. Don't say they didn't, they were encouraging it within that very thread. Go back and "read the thread."

The whole point about you not liking bg is the same thing you throw at other people most of the time. But for this case:

-You do not like Bg so you are biased against bg's side

-I like bg and I admit I am biased for bg.

BG took the info and wanted answers, FFXIC would not reply until the movement of the first thread got out of control and still did not account for all the questions. When a second thread came to terms with a problem that deals with the community you think people who were already riled up were gonna not jump on it?

I said BG was not 100% saying hey TAJ way to hack great man we are so happy you stole someone's personal info. No most of us again thanked taj for the info, you don't say me going HACKING FTW!!!!

That's not what people taking the high ground do. Hell, I gotta go deal with one of my own for "pledging to the cause" of causing trouble on FFXIlopedia, which unfortunately does make this my problem. But I'd give them shit if they wanted to cause problems for BG, too. As much as I may dislike one side, no one deserves the trouble being caused right now. Nobody.

No if it crossed into real life seeing his address and name etc were posted if it crosses into real life attacks, no one deserves that even tho he stole rl money, or misfigured it etc. If you start shit in a close knit community they will bite back we all know this, especially on the internet were the recourse is slim to none.

[Amele]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

When my kids read about Taj and his glory in school, I will tell them the truth!

lol. sort of the point. they won't be reading about Taj and his -anything- in school. which is part of why I stated what I did (I would maintain that Ganiman isn't a villian either.)

I guess maybe the core difference between Mhurron and my opinion is that I think it takes alot to be a villian (or a hero).

and BBQ! I'm a boy D:< (although I get the girl mistake alot - part of it is the character is female, and I post under my character handle to simplify things)

[Skoal]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

history won't judge him a villian

When my kids read about Taj and his glory in school, I will tell them the truth!

[Sevv]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

I considered FFXIclopedia to be one stop source of FFXI-ness. I edited articles, and contributed where I could. I participated and contributed under the assumption (lulz @me) that this was community-based, and not-for-profit. Nowhere was it posted that they were going to make money of the effort of the community. Ganiman, Meirin & Gahoo didn't really contribute much to the content of the Wiki. And now they are profiting off of everyone else's work.
I don't condone what Taj did. If he gets caught, he's likely to go to jail. I do respect him for bringing this to light. This cleared up my misconceptions of FFXIclopedia & Wikia.
The reason why I'm angry at this whole mess is that, those three are profiting off the content of the contributors, while contributing little themselves.
They never said this was a business. They always acted as if this were a community based organization. I was wrong, and I hope they lose everything they made on this deal.
So, I need a new home now I guess. I'm not a BG supporter and I don't like Allakhazam's or BG's attitude. I like FFXIclopedia because they tended to be drama free. I guess it was all building up to this moment. Hopefully, FFXI-Online will be a new home.

Even tho It is not under the best situation /welcome to the site. BGwiki will not be connected to BG forums so it may just keep with what you thought the old wiki was, don't know how the allawiki will be. We have alot of knowledge around here, hope you enjoy the community. As you can see we have our petty fights now and then as well as anyone does.

[Olorin401]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

He wont be going to jail.

I quite agree. I don't think anyone will be going to jail to be honest.

In any case the most likely candidate for that would be Ganaiman, and the evidence that would be used is tainted by the fact that it was obtained illegally.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

I like how SevIfrit's quote-a-thon's all boil down to the other person "didn't read it" simply because he does not agree with them and, ironically, he doesn't read thier posts, either. He just dissects them down into numerous quotes to distort the original intent fo the post.

That's not reading, that's selective reading coupled with shoving words in people's mouths. At least Amele proves that even in disagreement, she can take a point in context and discuss it, whether she's right or wrong.

I've never liked BG as a community. Not since the day I started reading thier forums early in the game. While there are plenty of people there that provide good information with good intention, the community of BG has a collective habit that is essentially no better than the "Allazites" they like to frown on - shoving thier ideals down our throats. They have no right to try and distinguish themselves as upper-crust when they're the same as "Allazites." Just because the forum is strictly moderated to avoid Alla-like spam questions doesn't change this fact.

There are people that recognize that and that is why they don't like BG. I didn't like BG well before they decided to attack LBR or FFXIC. Taj made the post, he's hardly even big poster there, BG made it their cause to attempt to ruin and vandalize the wiki. Don't say they didn't, they were encouraging it within that very thread. Go back and "read the thread."

That's not what people taking the high ground do. Hell, I gotta go deal with one of my own for "pledging to the cause" of causing trouble on FFXIlopedia, which unfortunately does make this my problem. But I'd give them shit if they wanted to cause problems for BG, too. As much as I may dislike one side, no one deserves the trouble being caused right now. Nobody.

[Omni]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

He wont be going to jail.

[Rylan Hart]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

I considered FFXIclopedia to be one stop source of FFXI-ness. I edited articles, and contributed where I could. I participated and contributed under the assumption (lulz @me) that this was community-based, and not-for-profit. Nowhere was it posted that they were going to make money of the effort of the community. Ganiman, Meirin & Gahoo didn't really contribute much to the content of the Wiki. And now they are profiting off of everyone else's work.

I don't condone what Taj did. If he gets caught, he's likely to go to jail. I do respect him for bringing this to light. This cleared up my misconceptions of FFXIclopedia & Wikia.

The reason why I'm angry at this whole mess is that, those three are profiting off the content of the contributors, while contributing little themselves.

They never said this was a business. They always acted as if this were a community based organization. I was wrong, and I hope they lose everything they made on this deal.

So, I need a new home now I guess. I'm not a BG supporter and I don't like Allakhazam's or BG's attitude. I like FFXIclopedia because they tended to be drama free. I guess it was all building up to this moment. Hopefully, FFXI-Online will be a new home.

[Amele]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

Hmm.. well then perhaps I have things backwards then? He got access to the Gmail account first through the known exploits, then used the same password on the FFXI Wiki Forums and Paypal?
Eh.. either way it comes to the same end.

eh. once you have the email account, you can go click 'forgot my password' everywhere else that you have the username (and since he was a sysop it was pretty easy to identify his username.)

for that matter, if you had my gmail account, you could get my passwords for here and BG too (but not my paypal since that's linked to another more secure location.)
through the same process.

the hard part is getting into gmail; from there you've basically got the keys to the entire cottage, so to speak.

[Amele]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

A - You compared him to Jefferson

in a negative manner.

B - He wasn't a corporate whistle blower. A corporate whistle blower comes across their information by being privy to that information, not illegally fishing for it.

right.

so I guess the question would be better worded as: "do you believe that the ends justify the means?" I do, provisionally; it's a philosophical discussion and in either case, because of the scale and scope of the actions taken by Taj, history won't judge him a villian - which is why I made the statement I made.

C - The quote was not out of context.

I would argue that less than 20 words of over a 400 word post is pratically the definition of "out of context" (being that it was missing 380+ words of context) but have it your way.

Ya, not putting him on a pedestal at all. Nope, not here.

pedestal where?

apparently, having respect for someone and sympathizing with their cause means pedestal around here

Ya you go on living in that dream world where people need to know things to make services available on the internet, or is setting up a Wiki more difficult then managing TD- Ameritrade's backup's?

not relevant to the discussion, but yes. I think the average citizen will find it harder to successfully register a domain, load all the necessary software, and start a wiki than they will in putting a reel to reel on the right shelf.

people with less than a high school education and IQ's under 80 have been doing the latter for decades.

and again; my statement is merely that a sufficient subset of sysops are sufficiently capable of having more than one password for important things that getting their password to a game wiki will not immediately give you their password to their personal email address not a sure thing. (hence; gamble.)

[Olorin401]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

phpBB3 is more secure than gmail is currently. (do a google search on gmail exploit or gmail vulnerability and see how much comes up.)

Taj doesn't have access to BGforums admin panel, or to the password hash. in both cases where he's apparently 'hacked' someone else's BG forum account, he's done it via gmail access first (public dataterm someone left in? *shrugs*)

Hmm.. well then perhaps I have things backwards then? He got access to the Gmail account first through the known exploits, then used the same password on the FFXI Wiki Forums and Paypal?

Eh.. either way it comes to the same end.

[Olorin401]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

What do you call someone who posts his illegal activities on a public forum in a manner that is easilly traceable back to themselves? He's no more clever then a thief walking home in the snow from his latest heist and wondering how he got caught.

Yep and that's been a habit of hackers since the old days of 300-baud modems.

Bragging about your righteous hacks gets you noticed, and gets you notoriety. Case in point, Kevin Mitnick.

[Skoal]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

What do you call someone who posts his illegal activities on a public forum in a manner that is easilly traceable back to themselves? He's no more clever then a thief walking home in the snow from his latest heist and wondering how he got caught.

This reminds me of the guy who was trying to rob a gas station. He went up to the counter under the guise he was buying beer. When he pulled the gun and asked for the money, the attendant said she could give him the money but she needed to see his ID for the beer or she would get into trouble. Draw your own conclusions.