FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

[Olorin401]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

Even tho It is not under the best situation /welcome to the site. BGwiki will not be connected to BG forums so it may just keep with what you thought the old wiki was, don't know how the allawiki will be. We have alot of knowledge around here, hope you enjoy the community. As you can see we have our petty fights now and then as well as anyone does.

Petty fights? Actually I think this is quite an engaging and intellectual conversation! And frankly I'm glad that everyone here has kept the conversation at that level.

As for BG forums, let me put it this way - it is a great source for information, especially if you're into hardcore endgame stuff. It's not the most appealing place because of the endgame snootiness and flair for doings things that are questionable, but if you get the information you need from sifting through all the garbage, without getting involved in the drama, then there shouldn't be anything to complain about.

[Rylan Hart]

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Do you really really think the DA will even bother prosecuting this even if he said OK i did it?

(its a rhetorical question, so please dont answer)

Sorry -- I hate rhetorical questions, so please don't ask questions if you don't want an answer.

A DA or District Attorney wouldn't, as their jurisdiction would be limited, since this would be a federal case. A US Attorney, at the recommendation of the Secret Service, or the Federal Bureau of Investigation will, if

1. A Complaint is filed
2. The SS or FBI can provided enough evidence to the US Attorney that he did it.
3. The US Attorney (or deputy) thinks they would win the case.

[Sevv]

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(its a rhetorical question, so please dont answer)

/sigh ; ;

[Omni]

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Do you really really think the DA will even bother prosecuting this even if he said OK i did it?
(its a rhetorical question, so please dont answer)
You must be out your mind if any DA will bother prosecuting some internet crime involving a an mmorpg website.
Again, he wont be going to jail nor anything bad will happen.
Let's just in your wildest fantasy the DA does prosecute. He still wont get any jail time.
1) non-violent crime (white collar crimes rarely get jail time unless its a repeat offense)
2) first offense
3) you're taking up space in jail, processing time, lawyer time etc for some guy who again, let me put it in perspective for you, hacked a website about an online video game.
Again, no. He wont be going to jail.

[Rylan Hart]

Re: FFXI Wiki.. hacked?

No money was lost as a result, so no prosecution will occur. He won't be going to jail even if he walked up to a judge and said 'I did it, send me to jail.'

That doesn't matter.

Title 18, United States Code, Section 1030(a)(2) provides:

Whoever— (2) intentionally accesses a computer without authorization or exceeds authorized access, and thereby obtains— (A) information contained in a financial record of a financial institution, or of a card issuer as defined in section 1602(n) of title 15, or contained in a file of a consumer reporting agency on a consumer, as such terms are defined in the Fair Credit Reporting Act (15 U.S.C. 1681 et seq.);
(B) information from any department or agency of the United States; or
(C) information from any protected computer if the conduct involved an interstate or foreign communication ... shall be punished as provided in subsection (c) of this section.

Taj clearly obtained information from a protected computer, violating 18 USC 1030(a)(2)(C).

The big IF here, is IF he gets caught, which I hope he doesn't. But Taj DID break federal law in obtaining this information.

[Sevv]

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I'm honestly surprised people are getting so worked up about this.
I agree, it sucks. Both sides really shouldn't have done what they did. But you know what? It HAPPENS. Get over it and move on. There's no point in bickering so much about it.

The bickering always starts because someone posted the info, which in right the community deserved to know about. Posted an opinion then people take low blows instead of keeping it clean and it evolves into this thread with people calling each other out. I didn't throw the first low blow but I have thrown them in this thread as response, I'm not innocent from it.

Kind of my point. When Amele said "history won't judge him as a villian", I was making the point that "history" probably won't remember him. Honestly I don't really even know what he does. Getting .dat info is the only thing I remember him doing.

Windower, Atomos server, .dats, a few more things that elude me atm.

Well, the cool thing about this is that it doesn't matter what you think of his reasons.

LOCK THE THREAD ITS OVER, the truth has been spoken, everyone has the right to form an opinion boycott or support this now.

I don't look down on people who will use wiki after this, at the same time there are people here who look down upon those who won't. That is causing the problem, really. Everyone is entitled to use or not use any public site, do you all still harass people from alla who moved here when they sold out? It is a choice and theirs to make.

Being a criminal requires doing something illegal, not being convicted of it. The statement 'A convicted criminal' is not redundant because of that.

Prove the fact he did it and You win, if not then drop it.

[Mhurron]

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Then your previous posts where you call him a criminal are proven false.

Being a criminal requires doing something illegal, not being convicted of it. The statement 'A convicted criminal' is not redundant because of that.

[Murphie]

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thats kind of a dumb reason to leave a site.....
its not like these 3 people have planed from day one

for the site to say open, they had to sell it to Wiki, plain and simple

Well, the cool thing about this is that it doesn't matter what you think of his reasons.

[Sevv]

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No money was lost as a result, so no prosecution will occur. He won't be going to jail even if he walked up to a judge and said 'I did it, send me to jail.'

Then your previous posts where you call him a criminal are proven false.

But what is the worst about this from BG is thier community is already trying to make it political, which makes it even more miserable to deal with. Soon it will be lolAllaWiki from them.
In other words, par for course on BG.

Talking shit about BG, normal bitching.

In other words, par for the course for BBQ.


You make every attempt to talk shit about them we get it you don't like bg, ok good. Leave it alone then if you don't want to deal with it right?

[Skoal]

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Will this be read from the LOLinternet History books? Anyone outside of the MMORPG community is probably laughing thier asses off at BG and other FFXI sites right now.

Kind of my point. When Amele said "history won't judge him as a villian", I was making the point that "history" probably won't remember him. Honestly I don't really even know what he does. Getting .dat info is the only thing I remember him doing.

[Nataka]

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I'm honestly surprised people are getting so worked up about this.

I agree, it sucks. Both sides really shouldn't have done what they did. But you know what? It HAPPENS. Get over it and move on. There's no point in bickering so much about it.

[Mhurron]

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Will this be read from the LOLinternet History books?

It's a travesty if it's not.

I think everyone can agree, what Skoal said is funny as hell.

[Kailea]

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I considered FFXIclopedia to be one stop source of FFXI-ness. I edited articles, and contributed where I could. I participated and contributed under the assumption (lulz @me) that this was community-based, and not-for-profit. Nowhere was it posted that they were going to make money of the effort of the community. Ganiman, Meirin & Gahoo didn't really contribute much to the content of the Wiki. And now they are profiting off of everyone else's work.
I don't condone what Taj did. If he gets caught, he's likely to go to jail. I do respect him for bringing this to light. This cleared up my misconceptions of FFXIclopedia & Wikia.
The reason why I'm angry at this whole mess is that, those three are profiting off the content of the contributors, while contributing little themselves.
They never said this was a business. They always acted as if this were a community based organization. I was wrong, and I hope they lose everything they made on this deal.
So, I need a new home now I guess. I'm not a BG supporter and I don't like Allakhazam's or BG's attitude. I like FFXIclopedia because they tended to be drama free. I guess it was all building up to this moment. Hopefully, FFXI-Online will be a new home.

thats kind of a dumb reason to leave a site.....
its not like these 3 people have planed from day one

for the site to say open, they had to sell it to Wiki, plain and simple

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

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When my kids read about Taj and his glory in school, I will tell them the truth!

Will this be read from the LOLinternet History books? Anyone outside of the MMORPG community is probably laughing thier asses off at BG and other FFXI sites right now.

Seriously, though, this is shit thrown into your lap if you're an admin or moderate on any FFXI-related site. Its not something I wanted to deal with, but now I have to. A lot of forums have unavoidable ties to both BG and FFXIlopedia and vice-versa. We're all linked.

But what is the worst about this from BG is thier community is already trying to make it political, which makes it even more miserable to deal with. Soon it will be lolAllaWiki from them.

In other words, par for course on BG.

[Mhurron]

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in a negative manner.

If that's what you intended, you failed miserably.

I would argue that less than 20 words of over a 400 word post is pratically the definition of "out of context" (being that it was missing 380+ words of context) but have it your way.

So if I were to form an opinion on The Count of Monte Cristo, and publish that opinion, in order to use quotes to support that opinion I would have to quote the entire work in order for you not to think they were out of context? You're entire post was not about this exact subject so there is no reason why I would have to quote the whole thing just to talk about the last point.

[/quote]apparently, having respect for someone and sympathizing with their cause means pedestal around here [/quote]That's pretty much the definition of putting someone on a pedestal.

not relevant to the discussion, but yes. I think the average citizen will find it harder to successfully register a domain, load all the necessary software, and start a wiki than they will in putting a reel to reel on the right shelf.
people with less than a high school education and IQ's under 80 have been doing the latter for decades.

Yes, TD Ameritrade hired morons to manage how their backups are handled, but a Wiki admin knows all.

Dirty little secret - Most people running websites don't know their ass from their elbows, this includes wiki admins.

[/quote]and again; my statement is merely that a sufficient subset of sysops are sufficiently capable of having more than one password for important things that getting their password to a game wiki will not immediately give you their password to their personal email address not a sure thing. (hence; gamble.)[/QUOTE]
No, your statement was anyone who can setup a wiki knows enough to follow good security practices. A monkey can set up a wiki so the statement is false.

Now saying Taj did do this on his own, and everything he is credited with. You really think he is dumb enough to leave this huge trail back to him? Come on mhurron I know your not that dumb.

Do you know Taj did it? There's footsteps in that snow.

If he's caught he will.

No money was lost as a result, so no prosecution will occur. He won't be going to jail even if he walked up to a judge and said 'I did it, send me to jail.'