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  • #61
    Re: What the hell is wrong with Melee?

    yes, I can.

    they're governed by the same rules as every other mob in the game. the difference is *we* are stronger.

    (anyone gone back to deco weapons recently? what used to be 17 mobs in a big loop and finish just in time to run back and start over before the first room was *entirely* repopped now has a 5-8 minute afk between loops)

    there's only a handful of non AU mobs 80+ ; you've got (basically) lufaise fomors near blueblade fell, (not enough to exp on) Abraxas, aura weapons and kindred.

    I've argued before (somewhat unsuccessfully) that the reason we perceive AU mobs as weak is because for the first time we're finally exping on mobs that primarily *aren't* paladins.

    beetles? paladins. crabs? paladins. aura statues? etc.

    we're finally fighting stuff with some attack value (watch how fast hp goes down if you let a mamool lurker beat on someone who isn't evading/guarding/shadowing the hits away. ) which of course means less defense and/or hp. and that makes them weaker?

    I mean sure; I guess from a certain point of view a mamool ja zenist is weaker than a fomor paladin, but let's be honest with ourselves; they're not drastically different challenges.

    abraxas don't have particularly more HP than colibri either, btw; they just have damage reduction to the majority of weapons in the game.

    as for comparing them to pre-AU mobs, there aren't really enough mobs to *make* a comparison! of the 64 mobs with a minimum level of 80+ only 23 of them are non-AU. if you do 81+? 6 of 38.
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    • #62
      Re: What the hell is wrong with Melee?

      I've argued before (somewhat unsuccessfully) that the reason we perceive AU mobs as weak is because for the first time we're finally exping on mobs that primarily *aren't* paladins.
      Now are we talking lvl 80+ mobs only or mobs in general?

      I'm not sure, but aren't both the Lesser Colibri camp and Kuftal Tunnel/King Ranperre's Tomb are for about the same lvl of exp parties correct?

      If so, I'd point out that there is a marked difference in the difficulty of the bats in King Ranperre's Tomb and Lesser Colibri, the bats are far tougher and are not pld mobs to my knowledge.


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      • #63
        Re: What the hell is wrong with Melee?

        when was the last time you were in KRT, and did you have a bard? (I haven't exped there since zilart days at that level - back when *everyone* was doing SC+MB and taking 1 minute+ per mob. )

        lesser colibri are 63-65
        dire bats are 62-64

        similar tp moves (lol ability and a single target TP move that does decent if it connects) dire bats are probably a little more hp and def due to being (I believe war/war mobs vs. colibri's rdm/rdm ) evasion is slightly in favor of colibri.

        I'd expect them to be the same, assuming you could pull the bats link free (one of the advantages of colibri but not really what people mean when they call them weak, since a good puller will be grabbing link free by this level anyway)

        part of why people perceive old world mobs as stronger is because we start fighting them sooner. we did crabs with a 10-13 level gap sometimes (zilart days Kuftal tunnel with the blm freeze burst distortion parties) and no one had mid level crit or skill merits.

        to compare, most people start colibri 5 levels later (8-10 level gap) there's a ton more bards around today than there were even a year ago; and alot of people are on their second job, with better gear, mid-level merits, and experience with fighting things that aren't IT+++.
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        • #64
          Re: What the hell is wrong with Melee?

          By all means the game is definitely easier nowadays, but it feels like SE has been holding our hands for a while.

          I can't imagine PLD tanking back in the day the way I play. I'm so dependent on MP, that without AutoRefresh, Sanction Refresh and my Gorget giving me a 3mp/tick MINIMUM.

          But then again, we're all spoiled as gamers.

          The point of this is not SCs are superior or whatever, I was stating that my friends didn't want to do something OBVIOUSLY more beneficial on mobs that no one was exping on, and opted instead to be meleetards.

          Which pisses me off.
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          • #65
            Re: What the hell is wrong with Melee?

            tanking dire bats was easier then colbiri for my nin, now pld wise lesser colbiri rock with refresh i basically main heal myself lol.
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            • #66
              Re: What the hell is wrong with Melee?

              Yeah, NIN hate tanking Colibri, lol..

              But I can't effing stand bats.
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              • #67
                Re: What the hell is wrong with Melee?

                i war tanked colbiri when leveling war lol rampage is love
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                • #68
                  Re: What the hell is wrong with Melee?

                  I RDM tanked your Mothers, FFXIO.

                  They're feeling quite Refreshed.
                  Last edited by WishMaster3K; 09-06-2007, 08:57 AM. Reason: Sev
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                  If we don't like something, collectively, if our hatred for it throbs like an abscess beneath every thread, does that mean that they're doing something right?
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                  • #69
                    Re: What the hell is wrong with Melee?

                    Rdm/war vs puks = win > pld
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                    • #70
                      Re: What the hell is wrong with Melee?

                      Originally posted by WishMaster3K View Post
                      I RDM tanked your Mom, Sev.
                      She's feeling quite Refreshed.

                      Dude my mom is dead not cool.

                      Originally posted by Akashimo View Post
                      Rdm/war vs puks = win > pld
                      lol rdm/war
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                      • #71
                        Re: What the hell is wrong with Melee?

                        My apologies, Sev.

                        But I can tank anyone's mom.
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                        As hard as it may be, don't take this game or your characters too seriously. I promise you - the guys that really own your account don't.

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                        • #72
                          Re: What the hell is wrong with Melee?

                          puks dont live long enough to do any hurt...

                          direbats are great for nin to tank. fatties are the most fun. slow attacking, no aoe, no multi hit skills.
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                          • #73
                            Re: What the hell is wrong with Melee?

                            Chigoe parties ftw.
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                            • #74
                              Re: What the hell is wrong with Melee?

                              Originally posted by WishMaster3K View Post
                              My apologies, Sev.
                              But I can tank anyone's mom.
                              IN SOVIET RUSSIA, MOMS TANK YOU!

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                              • #75
                                Re: What the hell is wrong with Melee?

                                nah she isn't really but its always the card to pull. My mom is actually a game producer she worked on the Never Winter Nights franchise.
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