a new merit system please?

[Cotners]

Re: a new merit system please?

Playing a capped job with friends in a non-capped area. It works if everyone is switched to merits and will not level up. How is this going to help lower level people like the OP wanted too.

This would still work if you could adjust your level limit on the fly.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Re: a new merit system please?

You know, all of us carry around a ton of level capped equipment, I want more options open to actually using it.

I wish this was true, but its so not.

I keep level capped gear, but trying to get anyone else to is migraine-inducing. I can't count how many times I've told a member of my LS to come as PLD to CoP missions and, yet, he comes BST because he refuses to buy capped gear for PLD.

So I kicked him from static and got a NIN from the LS that would bring the gear.

[Vyuru]

Re: a new merit system please?

Glad to see that the definition of newb vs n00b has been covered already.

As far as meriting at the lower levels..... Um, hell yeah baby! So what if it is lower exp per hour than at higher camps? I'd love to be able to get a WS at a lower level than I otherwise would have, gain other benefits than I otherwise would have. So what if it takes you longer? Hell, let's look at it this way. If you could merit your weaponry skills, you gain more damage and +acc, so suddenly you do not need those lvl 40 +acc rings quite so badly. Other gear would fall by the wayside, why? Because you can merit earlier and gain those benefits earlier, suddenly other gear options may become available.

Or you could really pimp yourself out and have full merits AND the +acc gear and just be a beast.

Be the beast!


And leveling in level capped areas is actually rather effective. I went on an Aqueducts run recently, we had about.... An alliance of 10 players I believe it was, 10 or 11, I forget, with a lvl 40 cap. We were farming the formors to get a bronze key to open the door farther in, and you know we were getting 100-130 exp per kill for fights that lasted about 50 seconds, maybe less? That is VERY viable exp IMO, especially for an alliance and no exp ring on. We could have chained the Werebats for exp while we waited for Formor repops if we were an exp party, and we could have killed that Formor party that was a little farther in easily if we had had a bard for sleeping.

Yes I would like some form of self imposed optional level cap. I may not have jobs in the X level range to party with LS members or friends. Or else I may only have a healing job and they need a DD. We just got some players new to the game in my LS and I would have to rush level my whm to an appropriate level for smn to be able to party with them, I have no other jobs that level. Or you know, wait for them to get to lvl 40 or so, which is a tad bit unacceptable to me, I want to party with them while they are newbs to the game. I would love to take my dragoon through the lower levels with them again, show them the Maze or Korroloka Tunnel, and all the oddball exp places I went to back in the day instead of Valkurm.

You know, all of us carry around a ton of level capped equipment, I want more options open to actually using it.

[Sevv]

Re: a new merit system please?

Wrote alot of shit tbh I didn't read

Hi2U That is why I said it can I get a:

What it comes down to at the end of the day: I don't care about joking and having fun, but you made a fellow poster seem like an idiot. Not just a kind jibe, you made him feel like an inferior human being. Do I sound like a kindergarten teacher yet?

It starts as a joke and when you post any idea on a forum, you will get people who don't agree it started as a joke then he came back, then found out he lied, personally I don't think the board needs a shit load of liars do you?

[Lmnop]

Re: a new merit system please?

first off, I wanna point out that this was my original sentence:

And the best part is how I'll somehow be vilified for this post.... probably something about how I need to "lighten up."

But I didn't want to call it, so I edited it out since that'd make people go out of their way to avoid saying just that. Thus, I threw up a little when I read this:

you need to lighten the hell up lmnop.

lawl.

next order of bid'niz:

I know exactly what he was saying.

No you don't. I don't need to look further for proof:

but I also know it's pretty much a useless idea because no one is going to choose to limit themselves to low level parties to get merits just to help out lower leveled parties.

There. This is the part where I make claims like:

You would rather just gloss over the details and think about how it'd affect you and how the world revolves around you.

I have a friend who barely ever plays. Big part of that being that me and my sister are always doing 70+ stuff. He's 55. It's not very appealing when the only thing we can do with him is to help him with his AF. It makes him feel like there's nothing he can do for us (and there really isn't). If I could lower my level to exp with him, it'd make it a lot more appealing for him (especially since he's a magnet for the worst parties possible).

Would I care if I wasn't getting 14k/hour? I'd be happy to get 5k limit points/hour because you know what? I'm enjoying the company of friends in what I last knew to be a social game.

There's also the factor of availability and what-have-you. i.e. everyone's 75 these days so it's a bit harder to get parties in the lower levels. It's even harder to find a 75 merit spot open.

But I don't really care to defend the idea much more because it's obvious it's not a popular one. That's fine by me.

What it comes down to at the end of the day: I don't care about joking and having fun, but you made a fellow poster seem like an idiot. Not just a kind jibe, you made him feel like an inferior human being. Do I sound like a kindergarten teacher yet?

I fail to see how it's a joke if you scare someone away from the boards. Someone who'll no doubt think dual wield doubles tp gain and damage since we weren't around to tell him otherwise...


And Skoal: I wouldn't want it implemented unless you could choose the exact level -- afterall, look at Assaults and the fact that you can cap yourself to the level of one member if you're level 63, for instance. And being able to set myself at level 33 for a Citadel party would be A OK, even when everyone else hits 35. I can leave, go change cap and come back, or make it capable of changing on the fly instead of just at moogle. Many things you could do with it -- just because we have ideas doesn't mean that if S-E implemented them that we'd be pissed unless they did it exactly how we wanted. That was a confusing sentence but I mean to say that S-E still makes the game.

[Skoal]

Re: a new merit system please?

I think the object was to be able to cap your level to be able to play with friends/ls members and such while still getting merits... I think this is a good idea.

You could always go to a level capped area to party.

Playing a capped job with friends in a non-capped area. It works if everyone is switched to merits and will not level up. How is this going to help lower level people like the OP wanted too.

Knowing SE, IF this were to happen it would be in increments of 10 or something like that. I cap myself at 30, go to jungles in a few hours everyone is 2 levels above me and wants to move to other jungle. Do I just stay there and look for another party, or do I call it quits with maybe a merit or two? It just doesn't work.

[LyonheartLakshmi]

Re: a new merit system please?

Between this thread and the other one, though, I see a lot of the same thing -- everyone either says "this could be heavily abused" and dismisses it out of hand, or they say "this is completely worthless" and dismisses the idea on those merits.

Thing is, both of these opinions are contradictory, no? But both sides have dismissed it so no real discussion takes place.

I think both views can be true at the same time without being contradictory, provided the right context. Being able to level cap yourself to take advatage of easy camps is something you can take advatage of in the context of someone leveling from 1 to early 70s. During those levels, you don't see those amazing 15k to 25k an hour parties that you do at end game. Instead, you get a lot of 3k to 4k per hour grinds, with some level stretches having extremely easy camps compared to other level stretches. So in this respect, the feature could be "heavily abused".

Once you do get to 75, getting 10k+ an hour isn't all that difficult, especially if you're meritting as one of the preferred jobs for the typical TP burn setup. If you were faced with the option of either staying a lvl 75 to merit for that much, or cap yourself so you can do 3k to 4k per hour, which would you choose? From that point of view, this feature could be considered "completely worthless".

Two different threads. Two radically different conclusions. The ideas behind both threads were similar. But one addresses exp'ing in general from 1 to 75 while the other addresses just merits.

[Callisto]

Re: a new merit system please?

Normally I don't nitpick these things on the internet, because what's the point...but I just read through what happened on this thread since I left work, and I think Bamont's typing/spelling/grammar broke my brain. I thought maybe I wandered into a EU FFXI site or something for a second.

I'll be back, going to go flamm something.

[Cotners]

Re: a new merit system please?

I think the object was to be able to cap your level to be able to play with friends/ls members and such while still getting merits... I think this is a good idea.

You could always go to a level capped area to party.

[Murphie]

Re: a new merit system please?

10k exp (or limit points) per merit. Prior to level 53, that's more exp than is needed to gain a level in your job. Why on earth would you want to not get that level (which will increase all of your stats, and possibly give you access to new spells and abilities) and instead get a merit point (which will possibly give you one point towards a marginal - at your level - increase in a stat)?

[Skoal]

Re: a new merit system please?

i have heard the cries of players from all around vanidiel, they say its over populated with lvl 75's thus making it impossible for levels 10-60 and its making it difficult where no one can experience or level up, so i was thinking one day, infact i was thinking really hard about this.

why not add a merit system so you can select your level at any setting to get limit points?

there will have to be a new menu or a new npc involved in these locations so you can change levels to balance with your party. (specifically like at outposts) or menu wise.

select levels from 10-75

Note: you must have access to the merit system first befor doing this.

"as of now i do not know if this is a good location to ask this, or if even this is an official ffxi website" but if this is not, could some contact Square Enix about this issue?


my sincere regards

Bamont

Seems to me like the OP wants to be able to change his level to something lower and still get merits.

Why would anyone do this? It is a hell of a lot easier getting EXP at 75 then it is at any other point in the game, you (essentially) have access to all the gear the game offers and all job abilities.

Why would someone choose to get merit points a lot slower by partying at say lvl 40?

So it seems this post has a valid point. Lets say you change to level 40. You find 5 other people to party. What happens when they start leveling up? Do you wait around for 5 people who want to merit at level 40 so they won't get to 41? By the time you did all that you could have a merit point under your belt.

Also why merit at 40 or any other level. Slow exp sucks. I did that already getting to level 73. For me exping sucks. I exp for a means to an end. I want to do quests, mission, bcnms etc. I want to help people out and do new things. I HATE exping. Thats why it has taken me 3 years to get to 75.

I hope this helps you understand a little more Lmnop.

[Sevv]

Re: a new merit system please?

I didn't know this was a place where we couldn't make jokes you need to lighten the hell up lmnop. Being able to make a joke about something that has come up before use your own link as proof it has. Everyone wants to fix the merit system how do you give the rights at first to someone who said they haven't experianced the merit system. SO next time ill go


MHURRON LETS MERIT IN THE DUNES

USE THE GD SEARCH FUNCTION FIRST!

[Murphie]

Re: a new merit system please?

I doubt people will care enough to vilify you.

[Mhurron]

Re: a new merit system please?

you've angered him because you morons couldn't pay attention

I know exactly what he was saying. I know what his intentions were, but I also know it's pretty much a useless idea because no one is going to choose to limit themselves to low level parties to get merits just to help out lower leveled parties.

It has nothing to do with not paying attention, just having some intelligence.

[Lmnop]

Re: a new merit system please?

can I just be honest for a moment here?

Having just scanned this whole thread, I think you guys did an excellent job of being top class asshats.

Allow me to elaborate... he posts an idea. He isn't told "well, this wouldn't be good for X reason." Instead, he gets Mhurron's complete misunderstanding of the reason for the idea, and this little gem from Sev:

OMG MHURRON LETS MERIT IN THE DUNES!!!!!

I don't care if the OP was lying or not (I think that he is now because he's been called a noob and wants to show he's not or... something. At any rate any time you call another person a noob, you make me wish an airplane would land on you). At this point, you've angered him because you morons couldn't pay attention, and then told him not to get angry when other people simply don't agree with his ideas.

And now you've made him out to be the bad guy and the troll!

Between this thread and the other one, though, I see a lot of the same thing -- everyone either says "this could be heavily abused" and dismisses it out of hand, or they say "this is completely worthless" and dismisses the idea on those merits.

Thing is, both of these opinions are contradictory, no? But both sides have dismissed it so no real discussion takes place.

Obviously, I'm a supporter of an idea like this (since I sent an email suggesting it to S-E before Icemage's post even), but no one really cares why. You would rather just gloss over the details and think about how it'd affect you and how the world revolves around you.

And the best part is how I'll somehow be vilified for this post.