Chocobos and Aden's Renkei Chart

[eticket109]

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If you use Firefox and play with Windower, neither of which am I condoning >.>, then you may want to use this. It's a plug-in for firefox that works as a skillchain calculator. If you input the weapons and levels in your party, it gives you the viable skillchains.

http://ffxi.xenoveritas.org/tools/skillchains/

[Taskmage]

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If someone wanted to actually test it in game, getting 3 axe-users together to do Spinning Axe > Spinning Axe > Spinning Axe would probably be easier than finding three thieves to do DEs.

[Bricklayer]

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That might end the world.
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Skillch...tal_Attributes has a brief and I find unhelpfull explination of WS with multiple possible outcomes. I know I said it was unhelpfull but I've never found anywhere else that had a good description. Maybe it will make more sence to someone else.

Actually, this is pretty cool. It helps explain Taskmage's question about Dancing Edge -> Dancing Edge -> Dancing Edge. Based on the chart in wiki.ffxiclopedia.org, Dancing Edge has a primary element of Earth (Scission), and a secondary element of Wind (Detonation), but no tertiary element. Presumably, as Macht mentioned above, you should get a renkei from the first DE -> DE, but no renkei for the second one. However, the question about whether the element of the second Dancing Edge is fixed or not probably needs to be tested in game. Anyone have three dagger-wielding melees to experiment with?

A case where you might expect to get two renkeis from chaining a single weaponskill three times would be Sidewinder (Water, Light, Wind). However, Water (Reverberation) does not make a renkei with Light (Transfixion).

[Bricklayer]

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Don't know about other, but personally I've always found SE's good old chart easier to understand.

Basically you read Row first then Column. Then just a matter of knowing the WSs element.

For example Flaming Arrow is Liquifaction and Tackle is Impaction. So reading on the chart row first then column, you end up with a double circle. Means it's a lv. 2 SC effect, happens to be Fusion.

This is definitely interesting, and I will use this as a melee for setting up skillchains with other melees, but does it tell you what added effect you will get from the chain? For MB'ing, the effect is more important than how you got there (AFAIK).

[Taskmage]

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Ok, so in the hypothetical chain with 3 Dancing Edge, the second Dancing Edge would close a Detonation since DE's primary attribute of Scission would take precedence in the opener, but what would the third DE make? Would it close a Scission since the last chain was Detonation and we're "on" that part of the chart now, or would it make a second Detonation, with the second DE's Scission attribute taking precedence again? Is the second DE's attribute for that skillchain "locked in" at that point or not?

[Zamphire]

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The one thing I still haven't managed to comprehend about the renkei chart is the A/B notation. Basically, if I did Smash Axe > Smash Axe would that make Induration or Fragmentation? What about Dancing Edge > Dancing Edge > Dancing Edge? What chains would that produce?

Aden's Renkai Chart is really easy to read. You find the first skill. Lets take Tachi: Enpi in the light box towards the bottom. You just follow the arrows to find what it will chain with and what it will make.


A/B notation:
This is rarely used and you hardly ever have to worry about it but I'll explain. Let's take Nightmare Scyth > Sidewinder. Look down in the bottom right at the black area you'll see Nightmare Scyth (A) and if you look in the next box over you'll see Sidewinder(B) to make Transfixion. Now, if you'll look in the earth box you'll see Nightmare Scyth (B) and follow the table to the wind box you'll see Sidewinder (C). You look and you wonder "Hmmm, it's got two possible chains, which one will it make?" That's where the A/B notation comes in. You follow the letters. A>B comes before B>C so it's going to make Transfixion.

P.S. Smash Axe > Smash Axe = Fragmentation

[Macht]

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Ahh, but Tachi: Enepi -> Tachi: Enepi makes Distortion.

Eh, in that case then basically. The WSs main element kicks in first then secondary after, and if they have a tertiary then that one the third time.

So Tachi: Enpi -> Tachi: Enpi is doing Transfixtion -> Scission = Distortion

Then Dancing Edge -> Dancing Edge should produce Detonation (Scission -> Detonation)

If that's the case then Smash Axe -> Smash Axe would produce Fragmentation (Induration -> Reverberation)

[Neomage]

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They should produce nothing. Just as SE's chart about the SCs has always showed you can't create an effect from Liquifaction -> Liquifaction, you can't make one out of Transfixtion -> Transfixtion, and so on.

Ahh, but Tachi: Enepi -> Tachi: Enepi makes Distortion.

[Mhurron]

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What about Dancing Edge > Dancing Edge > Dancing Edge? What chains would that produce?

That might end the world.
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Skillch...tal_Attributes has a brief and I find unhelpfull explination of WS with multiple possible outcomes. I know I said it was unhelpfull but I've never found anywhere else that had a good description. Maybe it will make more sence to someone else.

[Macht]

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The one thing I still haven't managed to comprehend about the renkei chart is the A/B notation. Basically, if I did Smash Axe > Smash Axe would that make Induration or Fragmentation? What about Dancing Edge > Dancing Edge > Dancing Edge? What chains would that produce?

They should produce nothing. Just as SE's chart about the SCs has always showed you can't create an effect from Liquifaction -> Liquifaction, you can't make one out of Transfixtion -> Transfixtion, and so on.

[Taskmage]

Re: Chocobos and Aden's Renkei Chart

The one thing I still haven't managed to comprehend about the renkei chart is the A/B notation. Basically, if I did Smash Axe > Smash Axe would that make Induration or Fragmentation? What about Dancing Edge > Dancing Edge > Dancing Edge? What chains would that produce?

[Macht]

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As a BLM, it can be confusing that some of the arrows have two possible effects, e.g. bottom left of Aden's v4.3. One arrow has both Induration and Fragmentation. I understand that this means if you go one way you get Induration, and if you go another way you get Fragmentation, but which way is which? For example, what effect will be produced if we chain Shockwave -> Blade: To? vise versa?

Don't know about other, but personally I've always found SE's good old chart easier to understand.

Basically you read Row first then Column. Then just a matter of knowing the WSs element.

For example Flaming Arrow is Liquifaction and Tackle is Impaction. So reading on the chart row first then column, you end up with a double circle. Means it's a lv. 2 SC effect, happens to be Fusion.

Then when you check Tackle->Flaming Arrow you see it's Impaction -> Liquifaction, checking row then column you see it's a single circle result will be the second element (column element) which is Liquifaction.

Otherwise reading Aden's chart the effect you get is were the graphic shows the element closest to as the second WS or closing WS.

[Bricklayer]

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You want to do Distortion.

So you find the Distortion arrow(s) on the chart (lower left) and find a WS on each end of the arrow that your skillchainers have.

As a BLM, it can be confusing that some of the arrows have two possible effects, e.g. bottom left of Aden's v4.3. One arrow has both Induration and Fragmentation. I understand that this means if you go one way you get Induration, and if you go another way you get Fragmentation, but which way is which? For example, what effect will be produced if we chain Shockwave -> Blade: To? vise versa?

[Ellipses]

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2) I printed out Aden's Renkei Chart, and I'm kinda lost on it. Is there a way to tell which order to use the WS? I've made it out that if they share the same number, they can chain.

Wait, I just caught this. No. The number is the skill level at which you get that weaponskill (e.g., you get Combo at skill level 10). It has nothing to do with which WSes can chain together.

Here's a rundown. Let's say your only reasonable skillchainers are using a Great Katana and a Polearm, and have skill level 136 each. You want to do Distortion.

So you find the Distortion arrow(s) on the chart (lower left) and find a WS on each end of the arrow that your skillchainers have. Here, you find at the tail of the arrow:
Double Thrust
Raiden Thrust
Thunder Thrust
Tachi: Enpi
Tachi: Goten

and at the tip you find:
Tachi: Enpi

So your skillchain is Double Thrust > Tachi: Enpi.

Now, you'll notice some WSes have A or B next to them. This is WS priority. Some WSes occupy more than one space on the chart, and the A space is the top priority one. This means if two WSes fit together in more than one configuration, the skillchain with the A(s) is going to be the one you get by chaining those two. If two WSes only fit together in one configuration, the As and Bs don't matter.

[Dwarkyzidez]

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Ok, thanks. Now I need to go pick up the expansions.