Where Did The Real Mages Go?

[Celeal]

IMHO, there are good and bad players for across all roles, to be fair. It is just when a mage sucks in the party, it is very clear and explicit to be noticed by the party members.

[Satimasu]

Nothing but respect for PLD's. For me, PLD over NIN any day for a tank. I am old school though and like the traditional party setups.

[IfritnoItazura]

What? Paladin taking hits? Really?
I swear Mages nowadays dont even know what tanking is. Most of them think tanking is not tanking damage. No, Tanking is keeping the mobs attention and taking the hits for the party.

Damage mitigation is a part of tanking, though, even for PLD. The less damage you take, the less enmity you lose--obviously a PLD is not a NIN, but I bled MP slower with a good PLD in exp and merit parties than a bad NIN.

There are MP sponge PLDs, and there are PLDs who are not.

So i just want to see what you mages think about Paladins. What do you think when you get an invite to a party and see a Paladin instead of a Ninja tank?

PLD is fine.

What do you think when a tank's HP goes from full to almost half?

Depends on how fast and how often.

I swear the mages in my Dynamis LS where getting pissy because i was taking hate as a Paladin, TRULY skilled Mages would know how to manage their MP to enfeeble, cure, etc, etc.

The Dynamis LS I'm in uses PLD/WAR's as tanks exclusively. I think the only PLD people grumble about is the one who keeps using great sword and DD gear--he's the MP sponge.

But mages these days are so spoiled, and i mean spoiled with "Colibri onry, all i do is haste the nins and /nins and go afk, look back at the screen, drop a cure V when needed, go back to afk"

Since about 3 out 5 merit parties I've had as RDM were on Greater Colibris, I can assure you it's quite a bit busier than you made it seem.

Mage's have been kind of getting on my nerves lately, from not doing their jobs in Campaign to whining when a Paladin gets down to Red Health. Where are the real mages, the mages that actually find a thrill in doing what they do instead of just having the job because of invites. where did THOSE mages go?

MP sponge PLDs have been getting on my nerves recently; they don't need to take that much damage, but they intentionally use Great Sword or DD gears for no good reason.

Oh, and melees whining about mages not spending all their time in campaign battles cycling through random people to cure them. I have zero sympathy for those whiners--bring a job combo with survivability, or invite healers. It's not my job to look for people to cure while soloing in campaigns.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Since about 3 out 5 merit parties I've had as RDM were on Greater Colibris, I can assure you it's quite a bit busier than you made it seem.

I know RDMs like to think they're doing a lot for a merit PT, but let's face it, merit PTs are 90% BRD and 10% AFK mages and Melee. Only one person really is there putting in 110%. There's a reason Pink Mage bores RDMs to tears and, sorry, you're not potentially as good a puller as BRD or COR are. When a RDM is asked to pull, that's because they couldn't get a COR or BRD in party.

[Lanih]

I love good tanks, NIN and PLD both.

I have a soft spot for PLD's though.. Maybe it's because I have some 'traditional girl' traits left in me and PLD is as close as you can get to a knight in shining armour ;P I love the whole idea of the job, and have been thinking about leveling it myself too.

Nowadays, as a DNC, my love for PLD's has just grown stronger. I've been asked to heal a lot, and I've noticed with PLD-tanks things usually go pretty smooth. I've had a couple of close calls with NIN's, but none so far with PLD's.

PLD+DNC in a PT is made of so much win. Throw in someone who can toss out emergency cures if something goes wrong, and you almost certainly have a smooth-going party. Assuming your members know how to do their jobs, of course.

I'm an ex-WHM, and I remember never being afraid with a Paladin. I knew they would not die from the first 'oops' someone makes. Of course, good NIN's are like that too, but as a healer Paladins were always easier and much more fun to look after ^^

[Quetzalcoatl]

a well geared PLD is better than a NIN i think

im lvl'n WHM now i like PLD more than NIN PLD can take a lot of hits and can hold hate better than a NIN IMO

and if a nin loose his Shadows he can go from full HP to 0 in like 4 hits maybe less if fighting Colibries... so love PLD's who know how to do their job.

[Selphiie The Enchantress]

I'll admit my Gear isn't GODLY with Koenig and relic and all that, but atleast im not walking around in 75 with full AF and a cheap shield and like lvl 50 VIT rings.

Paladin has always been my secondary job to lot on, my Bard is ALOT better equipped. But once i finish capping good gear on bard i'll work on Paladin.

SO theres no excuse with this gear that a Mage should be whining, i would understand if i was wearing "wtf gear" but im not. lol

Rings: Jelly and Hercules
Earrings: Buckler and Intruder
Adaman gear, Relic feet, all this i have 300 Shield Skill.

All i need left for Bard is the Sha'ir manteel, and I am set to start lotting for Paladin.

[IfritnoItazura]

I know RDMs like to think they're doing a lot for a merit PT, but let's face it, merit PTs are 90% BRD and 10% AFK mages and Melee.

Only half of my merit parties have BRD or COR, on average. (The hazard of taking nearly all invites. *shrug* )

With or without them, it's nearly non-stop spell casting to me. Honestly, if you really pay attention to what a good RDM does in Colibri parties, you'd find them quite active, and quite busy.

If you saying BRDs are busier than RDMs, I'll have to refer you to Icemage, who plays both; I've no personal experience with playing BRD at that level beyond watching my sister.

AFK mage? I barely have time to breathe, much less go AFK.

[Murphie]

Not that I'm denying that BRD is incredibly busy in meripo - BBQ is right on the money there - but as a RDM, I wish I'd had time to AFK. It just didn't happen. Sure, it's because I was performing the same handful of tasks over and over again like a damned robot, but I was still very busy with it.

[Saren]

uhh *waves a hand*

So i just want to see what you mages think about Paladins. What do you think when you get an invite to a party and see a Paladin instead of a Ninja tank? What do you think when a tank's HP goes from full to almost half? What do you think about mages who are so spoiled with Blink tanking that they don't even know what to do in situations where a "Paladin takes hits"

I love plds.
Yay relaxed party!
Ooooo I get to cure 5 (It's a smug thing, I don't care what other nifty JAs and spells your job has, can you give someone 780+ health in 5 seconds? I didn't think so :D)
Actually have slight sympathy for the whms who don't understand how pld tank. Pre 55 I think I had 2 pld tanks total, one for only half an hour. If you never see anything but nin in exp then struggling to adjust is going to be understandable. I'm really lucky that I had a pld join my exp static at 55, 55-75 was great fun.

nin tanks - hair trigger reflex cures required, not much mileage/use out of regen, scared DDs and stressed backline.

pld tanks - regen is safe and covers almost all the curing, you aren't so worried about them being one/two shotted, relaxed DDs who are able to go for more damage and relaxed backline.

My Dynamis shell uses pretty much all pld tanks all, the main tank party is always pld*4, rdm, whm and it's usually a cake walk.

[Losrase]

As a BLM and BLU I have nothing but <3 for Paladins. I get extremely happy when I see a Paladin in the group when I join a party. It always means I have a higher hate line to play with.

On a side note: Caladin on Phoenix Server, you are the shiznit. I have never seen a Paladin hold hate with a one voke/Flash head start on Fenrir and held hate for 3/4 of the battle with a BLM.

PLD/WAR, BLM/RDM, RNG/??, WHM/??, SAM/??, and BLM/WHM

I was told to go off and hold nothing back. I cast Burn, then chain nuke tier 4 spells until I ran out of mp, yag drink, Manafont, Chain tier 4 nukes again, Manafont wore(about half way though Manafont is about where I got Fenrir's attention from Caladin), had enough mp for 1 more Tier 4, and then a Tier 2 nuke. Fenrir ate through blink, stoneskin + phalanx, and then Caladin used Cover (I was shock, first and only time I seen a Paladin use Cover). Two rounds later, Fenrir drops to the ground.

[Neomage]

Paladins are my favorite tank. In 95% of situations, I would rather see a paladin instead of a ninja. In the other 5%, I want to see the elemental wheel flying past me so fast I actually have to look for my nukes amongst the flurry of light and sound dancing around that mob.

[Selphiie The Enchantress]

I wonder if it will get to the point where mages will despise lvling with PLDs...because of being spoiled with NIN or /NIN onry.

[Sevv]

I'll admit my Gear isn't GODLY with Koenig and relic and all that, but atleast im not walking around in 75 with full AF and a cheap shield and like lvl 50 VIT rings.

Paladin has always been my secondary job to lot on, my Bard is ALOT better equipped. But once i finish capping good gear on bard i'll work on Paladin.

SO theres no excuse with this gear that a Mage should be whining, i would understand if i was wearing "wtf gear" but im not. lol

Rings: Jelly and Hercules
Earrings: Buckler and Intruder
Adaman gear, Relic feet, all this i have 300 Shield Skill.

All i need left for Bard is the Sha'ir manteel, and I am set to start lotting for Paladin.

Trust me your gear for not being a Big endgame player is more then fine. You don't even wanna see the gear equips on plds I have seen while being back on ifrit. I have plenty of merit whore jobs leveled as well as both tanks. Personally I burn if I want merits, but when I am leveling a job into the late 60s vs early 70s I prefer to see Paladins if I am on a damage dealer job.

[Coinspinner]

I wonder if it will get to the point where mages will despise lvling with PLDs...because of being spoiled with NIN or /NIN onry.

I really doubt it, unless you mean specifically lvl 70+ and meripo. I've pulled hate off NIN with Accession+Enblizzard, and that's in battles where I just buffed and debuffed. I've seen good NIN, but I find PLD much more reliable.

Then again I also invite SAM/WAR to tank sometimes.