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Thanked 609x in 395 Posts Gil: 6,656 Bank: 119,181 Total Gil: 125,837 Donate | Re: what should be my sub?? /BLM: Good from Lv.1-75. The standard.
/SCH: Good from Lv.20-75. Best for a continuously fighting party, IMO.
/SMN: Good from Lv.50-75. Best for a "chain 5 then rest" party, IMO.
For certain situations, /RDM for Fast Cast is good to have. At higher levels, it's also useful when (an additional) Dispel is needed.
WHM is designed so that it can pretty much function in its role pretty much on any support job, but having /BLM, /SCH, /SMN, and /RDM should optimally cover most situations. Of those, /BLM is the most important support job for beginner WHMs--they won't have access to the extra jobs like SMN and SCH, and BLM is more than good enough for progressing to Lv.30 (or even 75).  “ I’m in pain, but I’m happy.”
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Thanked 214x in 165 Posts Gil: 24,850 Bank: 9,244 Total Gil: 34,094 Donate | Re: what should be my sub?? Warrior is always good. You get the best of both worlds. | | | ::Quote Selected:: | | | 12-25-2007, 03:22 PM | #4 (permalink) | | King of the Oompa Loompas Oracle of Knowledge Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,337 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 10
Thanked 114x in 93 Posts Gil: 23,875 Bank: 33,744 Total Gil: 57,619 Donate | Re: what should be my sub?? Originally Posted by DakAttack  | | Warrior is always good. You get the best of both worlds. | /slap. Don't let him corrupt you!
Ifrit's advice is right on par. Also consider /nin when you get to the higher levels, but this is more for soloing than Gods and EXP. | | | ::Quote Selected:: | | | 12-25-2007, 03:31 PM | #5 (permalink) | Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: the universe Posts: 919 Style: Light - Version 6 My Mood:  Thanks: 245
Thanked 204x in 135 Posts Gil: 17,026 Bank: 8,462 Total Gil: 25,488 Donate | Re: what should be my sub?? For young nooblets like yourself, /blm is the norm and more than likely the best choice.
At much later levels (75), /nin is fun for WHM for dual-wielding clubs. | | | ::Quote Selected:: | | | 12-25-2007, 03:42 PM | #6 (permalink) | | pedoPrishephile Keeper of Knowledge Join Date: May 2006 Location: Fenrir Server Posts: 2,683 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 124
Thanked 294x in 187 Posts Gil: 229 Bank: 60,200 Total Gil: 60,428 Donate | Re: what should be my sub?? | Originally Posted by DakAttack | | Warrior is always good. You get the best of both worlds. | I approve.  Sanctuary of Zi'tah!  "In this world, the one who has the most fun is the winner!" C.B. | | | ::Quote Selected:: | | | 12-25-2007, 08:07 PM | #7 (permalink) | | Heir to Odin Oracle of Knowledge Join Date: May 2006 Location: None of your damn business Posts: 3,420 Style: Light - Version 5 My Mood:  Thanks: 707
Thanked 314x in 214 Posts Gil: 91,877 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 91,877 Donate | Re: what should be my sub?? | Originally Posted by IfritnoItazura | /BLM: Good from Lv.1-75. The standard.
/SCH: Good from Lv.20-75. Best for a continuously fighting party, IMO.
/SMN: Good from Lv.50-75. Best for a "chain 5 then rest" party, IMO.
For certain situations, /RDM for Fast Cast is good to have. At higher levels, it's also useful when (an additional) Dispel is needed.
WHM is designed so that it can pretty much function in its role pretty much on any support job, but having /BLM, /SCH, /SMN, and /RDM should optimally cover most situations. Of those, /BLM is the most important support job for beginner WHMs--they won't have access to the extra jobs like SMN and SCH, and BLM is more than good enough for progressing to Lv.30 (or even 75). |
Going to have to contest that. Light Arts alone will save you more MP than Auto Refresh ever could. | | | ::Quote Selected:: | | | 12-25-2007, 09:20 PM | #8 (permalink) | | Sticky Paws Keeper of Knowledge Join Date: May 2006 Location: Southern California Posts: 2,892 Style: Light - Version 6 My Mood: Thanks: 237
Thanked 609x in 395 Posts Gil: 6,656 Bank: 119,181 Total Gil: 125,837 Donate | Re: what should be my sub?? If you're resting, then the Light Arts aren't saving anything. Which is why I wrote that a party with a chain 5 then stop pattern would benefit more from /SMN's Auto Refresh.
For low level players who don't yet have a Lv.30+ job, /SCH and /SMN are just not available--that's why /BLM wins (by default).
(I thought those two points would've been obvious... >_>; ) “ I’m in pain, but I’m happy.”
“ It hurts, but I can smile.”
“ That’s why I can tell you from the depths of my being…”
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Thanked 3x in 3 Posts Gil: 3,137 Bank: 9,066 Total Gil: 12,203 Donate | Re: what should be my sub?? If your club/staff skill is up to par, /BST is not a bad sub (not ideal, but not a bad idea) [Bahamut] Rank 5
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Thanked 456x in 299 Posts Gil: 2,600 Bank: 76,083 Total Gil: 78,683 Donate | Re: what should be my sub?? | Originally Posted by IfritnoItazura | If you're resting, then the Light Arts aren't saving anything. Which is why I wrote that a party with a chain 5 then stop pattern would benefit more from /SMN's Auto Refresh.
For low level players who don't yet have a Lv.30+ job, /SCH and /SMN are just not available--that's why /BLM wins (by default).
(I thought those two points would've been obvious... >_>; ) | I really don't think /SMN offers anything tangible these days over /SCH. /SCH saves a chunk of MP every four minutes via Penury, on top of what's saved over Light Arts.
And really there's no reason to sub /BLM any more unless you need Elemental Seal. You can even Magic Burst as /SCH if you want, which has never been effective with /BLM (which is strange, but it does actually work).
For a new player though, I absolutely agree that /BLM is a perfectly functional and acceptable subjob at any level, and doesn't require the extra legwork and time spent to level Scholar.
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Thanked 24x in 22 Posts Gil: 1,785 Bank: 15,154 Total Gil: 16,939 Donate | Re: what should be my sub?? | Originally Posted by DakAttack | | Warrior is always good. You get the best of both worlds. | Don't listen to the other guys! This totally works.  Server: Hades Home Nation: Bastok (Rank 7) Race/Sex: Elvaan/Male Main: 68 RDM/34 WHM Craft: 45 Cloth, 24 Fishing, 17 Wood (Read this at a normal pace...) Tihs Msseage Connat Be Raed By Nromal Huamn Biegns. Pelsae Ntoify Yuor Firedns Taht If Tehy Can Raed Tihs, Taht Tehy Aenr't Namrol...Cnovrresly, Atmpetnig To Raed Tihs Msasege At Nmaorl Pcae And Bineg Albe To, Cna't be Namrol Etiehr...If Yor'ue Albe To Raed Tihs, Tehn Mybae Yur'oe Not Nrmaol. | | | ::Quote Selected:: | | | 12-27-2007, 06:05 AM | #12 (permalink) | | Dynamis Guru Join Date: May 2006 Location: Roe Dilund Posts: 581 Style: Light - Version 6 My Mood:  Thanks: 264
Thanked 54x in 45 Posts Gil: 24,493 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 24,493 Donate | Re: what should be my sub?? BLM : Access to utility spells like Warp, Drain, Aspir, Sleep, Escape plus Elemental Seal.
RDM : Fast Cast, Phalanx, and En-spells.
SMN : Auto-Refresh when you get high enough, and a larger base MP pool. Also you have friends to help you out and handle aggro once in a while.
SCH : Penury and Light Arts. Pure win.
NIN : Dual-wield clubs, Utsusemi and Tonko.. great for soloing
DRK : Yes, I said WHM/DRK. It is a decent DD! Souleater or Last Resort with Hexa Strike anyone? And you get Drain, Aspir, Sleep and Stun.
WAR : Hey, it's a ghetto PLD. Pretty decent damage with a Staff too. Olorin - Ramuh Server WHM75 BRD75 BLM75 RDM72 SMN39 SCH37 - TheAfterLife LS   | | | ::Quote Selected:: | | | 12-27-2007, 06:17 AM | #13 (permalink) | | Heir to Odin Oracle of Knowledge Join Date: May 2006 Location: None of your damn business Posts: 3,420 Style: Light - Version 5 My Mood: Thanks: 707
Thanked 314x in 214 Posts Gil: 91,877 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 91,877 Donate | Re: what should be my sub?? You're forgetting that SCH gets Drain and Aspir as well, and with Dark Arts active gives you a B rating for your main job's level (as reported by TM) thus allowing you to cast black magic more effectively than you would with /BLM (kinda weird isn't it?) | | | ::Quote Selected:: | | | 12-27-2007, 06:19 AM | #14 (permalink) | | X's General FFXIWiki Team Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 2,801 Style: Light - Version 6 My Mood:  Thanks: 204
Thanked 694x in 369 Posts Gil: 43,008 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 43,008 Donate | Re: what should be my sub?? Also, /WAR is a better long-term DD than /DRK. Souleater Hexa Strike is a nice trick if you want to kill one thing quick I suppose, but for the other 5 minutes you don't have much going for you whereas /WAR has Berserk. And if you're talking solo for some reason, though Berserk wouldn't be wise, /WAR still offers Attack Bonus I, Defense Bonus I, and Double Attack. | | | ::Quote Selected:: | | | 12-29-2007, 07:41 AM | #15 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Auburn, ME Posts: 394 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 171
Thanked 116x in 69 Posts Gil: 17,712 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 17,712 Donate | Re: what should be my sub?? /SCH also gives Drain and Aspir, not just /BLM -- and thanks to Dark Arts, /SCH is more useful for that purpose. Only /BLM will give you Warp and Escape, though, and it's the only socially-acceptable-for-parties sub that gives you Tractor. Sleep from /BLM is nice to have too, though later it's merely a supplement to Repose.
/RDM's party benefits are Fast Cast, Sleep, and eventually Dispel. Enspells, Phalanx, and such are only useful while soloing since they're self-only, and I wouldn't call it the best sub for WHM soloing by any means. Better to pick something that shores up your offensive weaknesses more (a shame the Enspells are so weak).
For /SMN, all I have to add is that Aerial Armor can be situationally useful -- though said situation, a lack of omnipresent /NIN, is rare nowadays.
As mentioned, /SCH not only has Fast Cast and Penury, but actually-usable Drain and Aspir. Pure win indeed. 
The above are what I know to be useful in party situations. Subbing something front-line is something best saved for soloing. I can't think of anything to add to what the others have said about those subs. -- Pteryx | | | ::Quote Selected:: | |
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