12-14-2006, 06:57 PM | #46 (permalink) | | Sticky Paws Keeper of Knowledge Join Date: May 2006 Location: Southern California Posts: 2,892 Style: Light - Version 6 My Mood: Thanks: 237 Thanked 612x in 395 Posts Gil: 16,220 Bank: 134,217 Total Gil: 150,437 Donate | Re: Whm 50+ Originally Posted by Spiritbear | | I am trying to figure out what I should be lvling for a sub job so I can do some soloing as my whm. I'm tired of getting the same crap statements that whms shouldn't solo or fight for that matter. | Originally Posted by Spiritbear | | I usually try to play frontline whm when I pt, but would like to know what job would be better for a sub to do that. |
I think you guys are wasting your time; OP doesn't want to know the truth; Spiritbear wants somebody to tell him that "WHM should solo and should fight" and that he should "play frontline whm when (he) pt".
Telling him why he should not will just make him madder and more stubbon; he's looking for validation, not well-meaning, accurate observations from experience and analysis of the game mechanism.   “ I’m in pain, but I’m happy.”
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“ That’s why I can tell you from the depths of my being…” | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 12-14-2006, 11:23 PM | #47 (permalink) | | Fence Sitter Brain of Knowledge Join Date: May 2006 Location: UK Posts: 1,342 Style: Dark - Version 5 Thanks: 53 Thanked 91x in 68 Posts Gil: 4,718 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 4,718 Donate | Re: Whm 50+ Originally Posted by Icemage | | It's easier to raise RDM or BLU to 75 and actually have some damage capability than it is to get people to go fight Shen for Reverend Mail (and still have your damage mostly suck in comparison). | Lol that fight is not one I want to do in a hurry again. My mannequin is very glad to wear my reverend mail till I can wear it... Originally Posted by Aksannyi | | "As a RDM, it should irk you to the depths of your soul when a mob had the audacity to buff itself in front of you." | | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 12-27-2006, 01:00 PM | #48 (permalink) | | Dynamis Guru Join Date: May 2006 Location: Roe Dilund Posts: 586 Style: Light - Version 6 My Mood: Thanks: 267 Thanked 54x in 45 Posts Gil: 29,594 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 29,594 Donate | Re: Soloing as Whm 50+ Originally Posted by Spiritbear | | I play frontline when I am able to. If I am sitting in the back and only having to cast a cure ever few min then why shouldn't I be up in the front lvling my club skills. I know what my job is suppose to do and I can do it from the front while I bash in the mobs head with my hammer, there have been several instances where I have done more dmg then the rest of the pt, but those are usually when we have a PL with us. I don't understand why everyone on this game has to be and do what everyone else wants them to do. If I am in a pt I know when I need to pull back and just cure and buff, but I'm also competent enough to know when I can be up there with the rest of the pt using my beating stick on the mobs. This post was not to have everyone tell me that I can't be a frontline, it was to find out what everyone felt would be BETTER in thier OPINION for a whm to sub and use for equipment. So lets try to stick to the questions at hand and not try to dissuade someone from enjoying the game the way they want, and I would also like to challenge everyone that reads this post and plays the game to do the same. The game is for people to have fun, not so they have to bend and conform to the desires of the masses. | As quite a few people have mentioned here, White Mage simply isn't a job that is desinged well for melee, especially in a experience/limit point party setup. The job is too fragile, too weak, and the entire party gets much more benefit from you casting enhancing and curative magic.
Also, an EXP party is definetly not the place for a White Mage to skill up club or staff. You can easily get to 100 do so while soloing EP & DC mobs through your 20s and 30s if you have some spare time. After that, keep an eye out for skill up parties.
Once you get up to the higher levels, and you decide you do want to get into soloing as a White Mage, the best way to do it is to have Ninja sub. You can get away with it because the combination of Club Dual wield, Utsusemi and Stoneskin is nuts. At that point though, I'm forced to recommend that you pick up some extra special pieces of equipment specifically for soloing - an Optical Hat, Reverend Mail, and at least one really decent club. A Darksteel +1 will do, but you should probably go for a Kraken Club, Sea Robber Club, or Seawolf Club.
And if you're really REALLY ambitious and dedicated to the game.. there's always Mjollnir. Olorin - Ramuh Server WHM75 BRD75 BLM75 RDM75 SMN39 SCH37 - TheAfterLife LS  | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 12-27-2006, 01:54 PM | #49 (permalink) | | Digital Wizard Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 6,054 Style: Light - Version 6 My Mood: Thanks: 69 Thanked 478x in 316 Posts Gil: 1,263 Bank: 148,450 Total Gil: 149,713 Donate | Re: Whm 50+ lol @ Mjollnir. I thnk the only relic weapon that is weaker than Mjollnir is Claustrum. Complete waste of time and resources. Mjollnir won't magically turn a WHM into a DD - and just like with Reverend Mail, it's easier to raise Red Mage or Blue Mage to 75 than complete a Mjollnir, and you'll be much happier with your damage output at the end.
Icemage | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 12-27-2006, 02:05 PM | #50 (permalink) | | From Beneath You, It Devours Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 3,479 Style: Dark - Version 5 My Mood: Thanks: 46 Thanked 162x in 113 Posts Gil: 22,588 Bank: 85,354 Total Gil: 107,942 Donate | Re: Whm 50+ | Originally Posted by Icemage | | and just like with Reverend Mail, it's easier to raise Red Mage or Blue Mage to 75 than complete a Mjollnir, and you'll be much happier with your damage output at the end. | That fact that its true makes me lol all the more.
What did Spiritbear decide to do, since he hasn't posted here in nearly two weeks. What route did he decide to take?  I RNG 75 I WAR 37 I NIN 38 I SAM 50 I Woodworking 92+2
PSN: Caspian | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 12-27-2006, 02:43 PM | #51 (permalink) | | Dynamis Guru Join Date: May 2006 Location: Roe Dilund Posts: 586 Style: Light - Version 6 My Mood: Thanks: 267 Thanked 54x in 45 Posts Gil: 29,594 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 29,594 Donate | Re: Whm 50+ Originally Posted by Icemage | lol @ Mjollnir. I thnk the only relic weapon that is weaker than Mjollnir is Claustrum. Complete waste of time and resources. Mjollnir won't magically turn a WHM into a DD - and just like with Reverend Mail, it's easier to raise Red Mage or Blue Mage to 75 than complete a Mjollnir, and you'll be much happier with your damage output at the end.
Icemage | Yeah true.. but hey just the idea of carrying it around and knowing almost no one else has it would be enough for me! Olorin - Ramuh Server WHM75 BRD75 BLM75 RDM75 SMN39 SCH37 - TheAfterLife LS  | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 04-11-2007, 06:36 AM | #52 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: UK Posts: 15 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 20 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 795 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 795 Donate | Re: Whm 50+ Holy or Divine Breastplate is a good defensive piece for the body slot. | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 04-11-2007, 08:25 AM | #53 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: REDMOND, WA. Posts: 228 Style: Dark - Version 5 Thanks: 15 Thanked 19x in 12 Posts Gil: 3,975 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 3,975 Donate | Re: Whm 50+ I decided to take a break from Whm just after I hit 50 and go G1 done. I switched over to mainly lvling Bst and Pld, but also lvled all of my jobs past 7 except Brd and Smn. Created by Eohmer IT'S NOT THE SIZE OF THE BST IN THE FIGHT, BUT THE SIZE OF THE FIGHT IN THE BST! | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 04-11-2007, 09:49 AM | #54 (permalink) | | King of the Oompa Loompas Oracle of Knowledge Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,407 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 10 Thanked 124x in 100 Posts Gil: 31,554 Bank: 73,047 Total Gil: 104,601 Donate | Re: Whm 50+ Originally Posted by Batrachophagus | | Holy or Divine Breastplate is a good defensive piece for the body slot. | /beats the dead thread with an ugly stick | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 04-11-2007, 11:49 AM | #55 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: REDMOND, WA. Posts: 228 Style: Dark - Version 5 Thanks: 15 Thanked 19x in 12 Posts Gil: 3,975 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 3,975 Donate | Re: Whm 50+ Originally Posted by Mog | | /beats the dead thread with an ugly stick |
ROFL. I had actually forgotten about this thread. It was odd to get an e-mail about it. Created by Eohmer IT'S NOT THE SIZE OF THE BST IN THE FIGHT, BUT THE SIZE OF THE FIGHT IN THE BST! | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 04-24-2007, 07:02 PM | #56 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 59 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 113 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 620 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 620 Donate | Re: Whm 50+ I did have a party, awhile back, where we had two BLMs. One of them subbed SMN and help to pull spiders in Boyahda and meeleeed with his scythe. It surprised us how well it worked out ^~
Anyway, when a party is doing so well that any back-line people have little to do I generally say go ahead and meelee 'in between.' Sometimes, they ask, and sometimes I suggest it 1st. Sometimes it does end up building up the enemy TP too much for the tank, so we stop.
A Taru in my server likes to meelee/solo as WHM, I don't know to what degree in, say, exp ptys and such - I only relatively recently got acquainted with him in the game the mission LS that I had gotten. He did comment that people were often surprised at how well he could do (I can try to get details if you like - just PM me).
After about the mid 60s, I have no experiences to draw from where a WHM would 'mix in' any meelee. I'd have to check with my Taru friend to see if he was able to. Actually, there might have been a few times. I think, on occasion, exp parties would provide a few opportunities as a favor to the WHM to skill up when they were close to thier cap.
I typically mix in meelee, myself - at least to keep my skill up. But, as it turns out - for me, anyway - the higher level I go, the more non-stop that I do party buffs. To the point where I had realized that I didn't even think of meeleeing b/c I was so frantically running to-and-fro doing Ballad and so on.
Anyway, I like the idea of 'maximum effort' in general. But, in some situations, it does back-fire such as the TP building too much for the tank to handle, or when a creature's attack has too high of a risk to 'one-shot' of disable (for example, get put to sleep) the main healer.
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