[Mog]

Rather than piss off future party members, play your job right Spirit. We're only saving you the grief.

(or learn the hard way. Up to you)

[Celeal]

I am not a whm, but as a tank, who is the receiving end of the mobs attack, I can tell you that /nin is not necesary safe at the frontline. There are a lot of attacks or special effects that ignore or wipe shadows. At level 60 a melee DD may take a few hits before dying, but I have seen mages drop dead in few seconds when they pull hate: My level 60 SAM has a little over 1000 HP, usually one hit from the mob takes over 200 damage. I have seen BLM HP goes red after one hit from mob...

I definitely hate to tank for healer that need to constantly remind for Erase, Haste, Paralyna, silena... dealing the mob alone is stressful enough, on top of that have to deal with DD. If the backline job is doing oddball stuff, the tank is facing enemy from outside and from within at the same time V_V

If you want deal some damage with filling the healer role in the party, why not try SMN/WHM? With the recent blood pact timer update, I have seen some interesting playstyle from SMN. Sending the Avatar to frontline is much safer in my opinion.

[Ameroth]

I know just what you're saying Celeal. Being a PLD main I know all about how much Exp mobs hurt, and how much dmg they will do. Example: in Quicksand, fighting those spiders, one sickle slash would do anywhere from 200-500+ dmg to me, and I'm a PLD with +18 VIT and the highest defense my gil can afford. Belive you me, as a whm that pulls hate and happens to be unlucky enough to get hit by that attack, you're done for; and chance are, you're PT is too unless you've got some mad backup healing available.

[Kasandaro]

Question. How are you hitting anything? If Club is maxed, it'll be about 140. While I haven't crossed the break-point post-45, I know as a Hume BLU with sword (with a barely higher skill rating), hitting things requires some attention to boosting ACC if I want to hit more than once a fight. And I'm not seeing a whole lot of +ACC in your build.

If I were going to tweak this build, off the top of my head:
Food > Rice Dumplings, Sea Bass Croute - all have hMP and +ACC - Dumplings have the highest +ATT, Croute gives +Dex and +MND. Porcupine Pie gives good +STR, which, as Elvaan, you don't really need as much.

Blessed Hammer > Time Hammer (for now - see lv51)
Fish Scale Shield > Just about anything. If you're meleeing, there's no excuse to have a lv14 shield.

Magna body, hands, legs and feet. > Meh. Hands and legs, sure. The MP/Dex off the body isn't going to kill you if you're lacking it, and even a Seer's Tunic to help hMP will help. The only thing the boots have is the MP, which by this point, you'd need more +hMP (or +ACC).

Enhancing Earring > MP, sure. HP? As a Elvaan? Problem is, at this point, there's not much better for casting. For melee? Farming an Optical Earring will help.
Mana Ring > For casting alternate MP and MND rings; melee, you'll need +ACC, and thisis the easiest place to get it.

Friar's Rope > Powerful Belt for casting (Rev. Sash if you're rich), Tilt Belt for Melee (Life Belt at 50)
Holy Phial > Promise Badge, next level
White Cape > Red Cape for one less item in inventory, or Aurora Mantle, or Jaguar Mantle, maybe.

At level 51, people will expect you to have the elemental staves and look at you strangely if you don't use them when casting. And let it be said it is <i>possible</i> to melee with a staff in a party - our club skill is ~equal to a PUP's H2H skill. But. You will need a great amount of +ACC (or a phenomenal amount of +DEX since WHM native Dex is low and Elvaan Dex is lower) to do this.

I'm not saying it can't be done. I'm not saying it shouldn't be done when appropriate. It is going to take a whole lot of equipping and equip-swapping to be effective, though. Go read the BLU and PUP fora for some ideas of where to +ACC.

[Spiritbear]

Originally Posted by Mog

Rather than piss off future party members, play your job right Spirit. We're only saving you the grief.

(or learn the hard way. Up to you)

Once again I do my job and I play back when I need to, BUT if I'm not needed to buff and heal even a 1/4 of the normal time, I will go frontline. I'm not turning away any advice that has been given, I'm just trying to play to have fun and if that means for me to have fun meleeing with my whm I have to Solo so I don't have to worry about a pt having issues with it then that is whatI will do. I don't care about the amount of exp I get off the mobs and how long it takes to kill them. I want to enjoy myself while playing whm. I have been on the game seeking pts for several hours before with no way of gaining exp with out a pt and was wanting to find a way to get something for my time other then Gil. I assure you my lack of pt invites is not do to me meleeing while in a pt. I have no issue playing back when my pt needs it, but why not have a way for myself to gain exp while waiting to a pt invite.

I understand my part in a pt is to play back and cure, buff and debuff. I play that role in many pts, as I said previously (something that everyone seemed to overlook). I also have no issues with the people in the pt when I do melee, I ask the pt to see if it is ok then I will gauge each fight to see if I am able to frontline with out any problems, If I feel there is an issue with me doing so I will not do it. Why does everyone seem to feel that becuase a whm want's to melee they are either incompetent or need to switch jobs. I like whm, I like being healer in the pts. But I also know that I will not be whm as often once I reach 75, so why not have my club and staff skills lvled for other jobs, when I have a chance to do so.

Once again I PLAY BACKLINE MAIN HEALER!!!! <------DID EVERYONE GET SEE THAT????

Here is a full list of gear I currently have:
Blessed Hammer
Electrum Hairpin
Holy Phial
Enhancing Earring
Valor Earring
Electrum Ring
Mana Ring
Magna Jerkin
Magna Gauntlets
White Cape
Friar's Rope
Magna Chausses
Magna Ledelsens


What would be better gear and where can I quest or what do I have to kill (Specifically) to attain that gear.


Thank You for all your advice, but remember I PLAY BACKLINE MAIN HEALER MORE THEN FRONTLINE WHM, so can we please try to answer the question about gear for 50+ whm. I really need to work getting that gear and being that I don't have any gil to get it I will have to quest or kill to get it.

[Ameroth]

Why does everyone seem to feel that becuase a whm want's to melee they are either incompetent or need to switch jobs.

lol . Because you're a WHM trying to melee.

[Celeal]

Start from level 50, the level gap of the mob jumps up. The level gap between player and mob that is normally /check IT at level 40s, would becomes VT post level 50s. From level 60, there is another jump with the level gap again.

The current gear that you listed in above is not going to do meaningful damage on Tough mob level 51+. Those gear does not provide enough acc+, attack+ and str+ to melee VT or IT mob in experience parties at all, regardless of sushi or meat that you may use.

[Icemage]

Instead of focusing on getting melee gear, bear in mind that you will have a LOT on your plate come level 50+. You have to deal with:

Limit Break 1, Limit Break 2, Artifact Armor - since this is your first job to 50, all of these are going to eat up a lot of your time and energy.

In addition, you'll need at least 2 elemental staves (Light Staff, Dark Staff, and maybe Earth Staff, Wind Staff and Ice Staff if you're doing enfeebling too) at level 51.

I appreciate that you want to enjoy yourself in parties, and that's fine as far as that goes. But you need other people to help you with Limit 1, Limit 2, and especially artifact armor - and if you're up in the front line playing Whiffmaster 5000, it's going to be hard to avoid making a negative impression on the very people you're going to need help from.

I'm not saying that you shouldn't melee. Just be aware that regardless of how you yourself feel about it, there are a lot of people out there who could potentially assist you who will write you off and refuse assistance when they see you meleeing. At your current stage in the game, alienating other players (intentionally or not) may make what ought to be relatively reasonable quests into nearly insurmountable obstacles.


Icemage

[Ameroth]

you're up in the front line playing Whiffmaster 5000

That made me laugh.

[Spiritbear]

Thank you for advice!!! And Once again I PLAY BACKLINE MAIN HEALER IN A PT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I only play frontline in a pt when I have the pts go ahead. Where can I get a Light and Dark Staff, besides the AH?

[Icemage]

Originally Posted by Spiritbear

Where can I get a Light and Dark Staff, besides the AH?

AH only. They are crafted items (and getting one crafted for you is much, MUCH more expensive than buying one, since they are sold at a loss by high level Woodworkers).


Icemage

[Srxjo]

Originally Posted by Spiritbear

I PLAY BACKLINE MAIN HEALER IN A PT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

we get the message people are saying you can ruin your rep meleeing a whm is all

[Jei]

Originally Posted by SharMarali

I only took WHM to 60, and honestly, I didn't intend to take it THAT far when I started out. But once I got it to 38, I wanted 42 for the last teleport spell. Once I got it there, I wanted some other level, I don't remember why. Once I got that, I wanted 56 so I could have raise II. And once I got it there, my CoP static needed me to raise it to 60 for the airship fight.

Your avatar is so cute I thought you'd enjoy Whm

spiritbreaker. That's not so productive yelling at us after asking us for advice heh. If you think you're fine the way you are then why ask us question in the first place and object everything we're trying to tell you?

Peace man. Play the way you want. We can leave you alone if that's what you want.

[Srxjo]

o by the way i am not a whm but i am a lvl 70 rdm and whm nd rdm job is silimar at that lvl

[Mhurron]

Originally Posted by Spiritbear

Once again I do my job and I play back when I need to

You always need to, no amount of big coloured text is going to change that.