03-14-2008, 10:52 AM | #31 (permalink) | | <3 Valkurm Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 965 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 59 Thanked 24x in 16 Posts Gil: 10,624 Bank: 9,009 Total Gil: 19,633 Donate | Re: What Is With Warriors Nowadays? You also said that anyone can tank VT at that level, so I thought one of those "melee" you mentioned would be tanking. Without Curaga I don't think letting hate bounce is a good idea. BLM 75 | RDM 37 | WHM 42 | SCH 56 | BST 22 | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 03-14-2008, 12:42 PM | #32 (permalink) | | Haruhi Wannabe Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 299 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 72 Thanked 155x in 52 Posts Gil: 28,468 Bank: 23,372 Total Gil: 51,840 Donate | Re: What Is With Warriors Nowadays? -pulls out hair- GAWD i just want to freaking punch a hole in the wall.
Here was the situation, i finally got a party invite after 4 hours seeking, party setup so far is THF,BLM,WHM,SAM, there was a DNC otw, the party leader after 10 minutes ask if the party wants to disband, since we cant find a tank, when there CLEARLY is a lvl 45 Warrior in our level range. I mention the job and name to the party leader, and the party leader responds quickly like she knew wtf she was talking about "Warrior No Tank!"
I just stopped talking...
I wanted to freakin punch a whole in the wall...i just wish these kind of people would quit the game now.  | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 03-14-2008, 04:12 PM | #33 (permalink) | | Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 943 Style: Light - Version 6 My Mood: Thanks: 236 Thanked 69x in 61 Posts Gil: 1,670 Bank: 81,386 Total Gil: 83,056 Donate | Re: What Is With Warriors Nowadays? | Originally Posted by Selphiie The Enchantress | | ... party setup so far is THF,BLM,WHM,SAM, there was a DNC otw, the party leader after 10 minutes ask if the party wants to disband, since we cant find a tank, when there CLEARLY is a lvl 45 Warrior in our level range. I mention the job and name to the party leader, and the party leader responds quickly like she knew wtf she was talking about "Warrior No Tank!" ... | IMHO, that party setup is for a *skillful* NIN/WAR main tanking; relatively low risk, rewarding if things go as planned.
Insert a PLD/WAR tank there would put stress on the tank and healer: lack Refresh. It will work if the party can setup Tachi: Enpi -> SATA Viper on PLD + MB. DNC helps in this setup, but everyone in the party has to pull they weight and perform.
WAR tank in that setup would have periodical downtime: Like, hit chain #3/4/5 -> rest a little -> hit chain #3/4/5 -> rest a little -> ... rinse and repeat. Shorter battle duration, with downtime in between chains.
Once I had a pickup party at level 46 in Crawler's Nest during the CoP era: WAR/NIN, WAR/THF (me), DRK/WAR, BLM/WHM x 2, SMN/WHM. WAR/NIN was tanking, but only for a short time each battle. Every SC + MB KO the mobs:
SMN did Blood Pact MB together with 2x BLM's MB, whenever MP + timer was up, with a 3-way Skillchain --- Stumwind (WAR/NIN) -> Shadow of Death (DRK) [2x BLM's MB] -> SA + Stumwind (WAR/THF) [2x BLM's + SMN's MB]. The party dynamic was chain #4/5 -> rest -> chain #4/5 -> rest -> ...; pulling VT -> IT -> VT -> IT...
You cannot just exchange NIN/WAR or PLD/WAR in a party with a WAR and expect everything else will work the same.  Server: Quetzalcoatl
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75 PLD, 75 SAM, 75 WAR, 75 NIN, 66 MNK, 50 BLU, 39 RDM, 37 DRK, 37 THF, 37 DNC, 33 WHM, 30 PUP, 27 BLM, 26 DRG, 14 RNG | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 03-14-2008, 06:15 PM | #34 (permalink) | | Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 943 Style: Light - Version 6 My Mood: Thanks: 236 Thanked 69x in 61 Posts Gil: 1,670 Bank: 81,386 Total Gil: 83,056 Donate | Re: What Is With Warriors Nowadays? To be fair, there is a chance for another 10 or 15 min, another group starts to form.
If the entire party are willing to make WAR tank works, it is worthed a try.
If anyone in the party is not willing to cooperate (WAR no tank?), the party already fail to make WAR tanking at the beginning.  Server: Quetzalcoatl
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75 PLD, 75 SAM, 75 WAR, 75 NIN, 66 MNK, 50 BLU, 39 RDM, 37 DRK, 37 THF, 37 DNC, 33 WHM, 30 PUP, 27 BLM, 26 DRG, 14 RNG | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 03-14-2008, 07:25 PM | #35 (permalink) | | J...atatouille Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 8,338 Style: Light - Version 5 My Mood: Thanks: 5 Thanked 136x in 106 Posts Gil: 28,934 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 28,934 Donate | Re: What Is With Warriors Nowadays? | Quote: | | DUAL WIELD ONRRRYYY, dats why i subz teh ninja | I'm so quoting that into my signature...
Warrior can definitely be a tank. But gotta ask the warrior first thing before invite, you know, if he's willing to main tank or not. There are painters who transform the sun into a yellow spot,
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