What Is With Warriors Nowadays?

[Selphiie The Enchantress]

Thankfully after a bit of waiting and replacing some people because people had to go, we finally found a WAR who was willing to tank, and because of this i got 2 lvls on my THF, he tanks flawlessly even without help from my SATA.

It just goes to show, its the attitute of the player. I'd rather more daring individuals pick up the warrior job, and let more wussy "im afraid to tank cuz i dont wanna die, i dont want to lose exp" people go off and solo or play another job.

(and yes unfortauntely thats a lvl 40+ SAM without okotes/jujitsugi/whatever else that makes SAM pimp at 40+ wearing chainmail x.x) he was still awesome though.

[JTF-Taru]

Thankfully after a bit of waiting and replacing some people because people had to go, we finally found a WAR who was willing to tank, and because of this i got 2 lvls on my THF, he tanks flawlessly even without help from my SATA.

It just goes to show, its the attitute of the player. I'd rather more daring individuals pick up the warrior job, and let more wussy "im afraid to tank cuz i dont wanna die, i dont want to lose exp" people go off and solo or play another job.

(and yes unfortauntely thats a lvl 40+ SAM without okotes/jujitsugi/whatever else that makes SAM pimp at 40+ wearing chainmail x.x) he was still awesome though.

Most of the time it's nothing to do with warriors. It's to do with RDM and WHM who only want to main heal ninjas and who won't party with a WAR tank.

JTF

[DakAttack]

Tanking was the only way I could get my levels as a Warrior back in the old days.

[Ziero]

Quoted for truth. (Except maybe the part about Dunes TP burns being amazing.)

Oh believe me, when done right, they most certainly are. Four melee, two mages, and a fair amount of T-VT mobs means you'll be pulling in constant c4-c5 and an easy 10k an hour...which for the dunes is amazing. At that level anyone can tank VT mobs and with proper gear and food players can be really strong against mobs who haven't changed a bit since day one of this game.

Thankfully after a bit of waiting and replacing some people because people had to go, we finally found a WAR who was willing to tank, and because of this i got 2 lvls on my THF, he tanks flawlessly even without help from my SATA.

It just goes to show, its the attitute of the player. I'd rather more daring individuals pick up the warrior job, and let more wussy "im afraid to tank cuz i dont wanna die, i dont want to lose exp" people go off and solo or play another job.

(and yes unfortauntely thats a lvl 40+ SAM without okotes/jujitsugi/whatever else that makes SAM pimp at 40+ wearing chainmail x.x) he was still awesome though.

Really though, it all comes down to players and not the jobs. People who suck on one job will most likely suck on others. If a War doesn't voke while on war, you can bet he wouldn't voke if he was Sam/war or something either.

And as for your sam, as long as he had gear proper to what he needed to do and knew how to do his job, there was nothing unfortunate about it. At those levels you can't expect everyone to have the top of the line gear, especially things that are still as rare and valuable as Okotes and Ju Gi. And if that's his highest job, he has good reason to be using 'lesser' but still effective gear. But as you yourself said, he was still awesome and that's all that should matter.

[fallenintoshadows]

I don't envy you, that ignorant player is putting all warriors to shame. I was still tanking in my 60's when there was no other more suitable tanks around. As you get higher it depends a lot more on decent gear than it does when you are lower but it's still possible.

[IfritnoItazura]

(and yes unfortauntely thats a lvl 40+ SAM without okotes/jujitsugi/whatever else that makes SAM pimp at 40+ wearing chainmail x.x) he was still awesome though.

Maybe it's Silver Chainmail instead of Iron Chainmail set.

I can understand not being able to afford Ochiudo's/Horomusha Kote, but Jujitsu Gi is not that hard to come by, at only somewhat higher price than Woodsman Ring (on Ifrit, anyway). Tell me he at least have Royal Squire's Mufflers or Windurstian Tekko.

[Selphiie The Enchantress]

Nah he was a good Samurai, i liked his attitude, he knew what he was doing and offered to be first provoke before i even asked him so he obviously understood SATA, coulda gone without the Naruto macros, but other than that one of the best players ive played with in awhile.

So i'm seeking today and search my level range to see if I can build a party, and this warrior is seeking again, and "surprisingly" his /seacom says "Don't invite me to tank, {Shield}{No,Thanks}"

...please quit Warrior now

[Pteryx]

Ninja couldnt hold hate from all the DD, wars wouldnt voke because they didnt want to take hits, drg was crying off in the corner somewhere and the MNK was doing whatever MNK's do. First off I had a bad feeling being main heal with no cure 3, or even a curaga. Then the NIN and Warriors got into it when he asked them to oke during shadow loss. They didnt help him keep hate or keep it from me with a voke. Instead while curring him and the wars and DRG's (with cure 2 spam) I died, i bitched them all out excpet for the DRG and the MNK and left. 5 melee and 1 healer does not work at those levels and hate control is needed.

Were you also using Regen? It's considerably more useful than it might appear, and might have reduced the hate impact and difficulty of main healing. Though I do agree that the setup sucked; that's not even a proper meleeburn. -- Pteryx

[Celeal]

There are bad and good WAR players in the old days, so do nowadays. However, the mindset or ideal of todays WAR indeed water-down. WAR/NIN dual tank with other NIN or DD/NIN, or beginning the SATA partner is expected at the OP's level range in the old days. If the WAR do not prefer to tank, he would seek as WAR/THF w/ Great Axe instead of seeking as WAR/NIN with such as shameful /seacom {Shield } { No thanks }

[Selphiie The Enchantress]

instead of seeking as WAR/NIN with such as shameful /seacom

Seeking as WAR/NIN without Utsusemi ><;;;

I think he doesnt even have GA skill since his excuse for subbing ninja was purely for "Dual Wielding Axes"

Which dual wielding axes is fine, but atleast have your A Weapon skilled.

Warriors are weapon masters, they can get the most WSNMs out of any job (correct me if im wrong), and only having just one weapon skilled is kinda sad...

[Ziero]

There are bad and good WAR players in the old days, so do nowadays. However, the mindset or ideal of todays WAR indeed water-down. WAR/NIN dual tank with other NIN or DD/NIN, or beginning the SATA partner is expected at the OP's level range in the old days. If the WAR do not prefer to tank, he would seek as WAR/THF w/ Great Axe instead of seeking as WAR/NIN with such as shameful /seacom {Shield } { No thanks }

10 gil says the gimp doesn't have /thf or Gaxe leveled.

This dude is outdated by todays standards. Nin hasn't been the best sub at his lvl for a LONG time. With Hasso and the 2 hander update, 40-50 War/Sam with Gaxe is a *beast*.

I think he's gimp for the sake of being gimp, and it doesn't go any deeper then that.
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Warriors are weapon masters, they can get the most WSNMs out of any job (correct me if im wrong), and only having just one weapon skilled is kinda sad...

One of my ingame goals is to get the WSs for Gaxe, Axe, Sword, Gsword and Scythe on my war. I might do polearm...but I never liked spears so that's iffy at best >_>

Also gonna need Dag for my Thf

[Coinspinner]

Oh believe me, when done right, they most certainly are. Four melee, two mages, and a fair amount of T-VT mobs means you'll be pulling in constant c4-c5 and an easy 10k an hour...which for the dunes is amazing. At that level anyone can tank VT mobs and with proper gear and food players can be really strong against mobs who haven't changed a bit since day one of this game.

Oh, ok. That's basically a normal dunes party, except everyone has proper food, drink, and gear. That will blaze through dunes, no doubt, but I thought TP burn always involved BRD and/or COR.

[Selphiie The Enchantress]

One of my ingame goals is to get the WSs for Gaxe, Axe, Sword, Gsword and Scythe on my war.

Newer warriors might learn something from better WARs like you :]

Although is it sad I know a 75WAR with a ridill and ahauberk who doesnt have his GA skilled past the dunes...

[Ziero]

From my understanding TP burn meant you had as many melee and as few support as you could where all the melee droped WS at 100tp while hate was bouncing between them.

Normal dunes Pts have tanks and usually stick to the three melee, two support, one tank set up or even dual tank set ups.

That's not to say you can have a Cor or Brd in the pt as one of your 'mages' with the other mage being a healer and the rest all melee DD.

I guess the confusion is my fault for saying 'two mages' as opposed to two 'support' because we have so many non-mage support jobs now.

[Murphie]

I was in a WARx2 MNK, SAMx2, BRD (me) party the other day in the dunes that felt like a TP burn. We had a PL, of course, because I sure as hell couldn't keep up with healing. I don't usually do PL parties, but I was tired of having BRD at 12.