Would a War/BLU or War/RDM be ok?

[bri360]

Ok so I need to get me war to lvl 37 so I can use it for my soon to be Ninja and so I can become a PLD. I really, really dont want to have to level another job before I can level the job so I can level the job o_0 lol, so the only other job I have that is feasible to be a sub is either my BLU or my RDM? Would it be ok if I use those?

[IfritnoItazura]

WAR/BLU is discussed here: Tanking & general war questions.

WAR/RDM: The only time this is good is in a bad party--one lacking (competent) healers. You'd need juices to make it work, and WAR/WHM would be even better.

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I've had one terrific WAR/WHM in party. That's the total number, from three years of playing. Odds are, you won't impress as WAR/RDM.

[LoneGamer]

RDM is already bad as a sub. Subbing it to a job with no native spellcasting makes it worse. I don't have enough experience with BLU to know if it's the same way or not.

[nazlfrag]

Monk is the preferable starter sub for war. Getting mnk to 20 should be straightforward, from there you can switch from war/mnk to mnk/war at your leisure.

[Feba]

Let's put it this way- If you're ASKING if a nonstandard job combo is good, you're too inexperienced to make it good. The cookie cutter is popular for a reason- it works.

[Nuriko]

Subbing a mage job without any skill from the main job in the same spells just doesn't do any good offensively. It CAN be somewhat effective healing and defensively, but it's going to be difficult with so little MP. If you're going to be levelling NIN anyway, why not do so now, then sub it? Nobody ever minds a WAR/NIN come level 24 ... and before that, you just need MNK 12.

[LyonheartLakshmi]

Ok so I need to get me war to lvl 37 so I can use it for my soon to be Ninja and so I can become a PLD. I really, really dont want to have to level another job before I can level the job so I can level the job o_0 lol, so the only other job I have that is feasible to be a sub is either my BLU or my RDM? Would it be ok if I use those?

This is very confusing. If you already have BLU ready to sub, the issue isn't getting a job to 30 so you can unlock stuff like PLD and NIN.

If you're goal is 75 PLD/NIN (which is what your post sounds like), then that means you need to get NIN to 37. And that means you need WAR to 18. However, PLD/NIN isn't all that good until end game. So you'll need WAR as a subjob for PLD.

To take WAR to 37, you'd only have to level a 4th job up to 18. If that's too much of a hardship for you, then just go back and forth between leveling as WAR/NIN and NIN/WAR as the need arises. And when you go as WAR/NIN, stick to a GAxe. Axe/Axe really isn't going to buy you all that much.

/NIN isn't the optimal way to do WAR from 1 to 37. But it'll probably do far better than /BLU or /RDM.

[bri360]

This is very confusing. If you already have BLU ready to sub, the issue isn't getting a job to 30 so you can unlock stuff like PLD and NIN.

If you're goal is 75 PLD/NIN (which is what your post sounds like), then that means you need to get NIN to 37. And that means you need WAR to 18. However, PLD/NIN isn't all that good until end game. So you'll need WAR as a subjob for PLD.

To take WAR to 37, you'd only have to level a 4th job up to 18. If that's too much of a hardship for you, then just go back and forth between leveling as WAR/NIN and NIN/WAR as the need arises. And when you go as WAR/NIN, stick to a GAxe. Axe/Axe really isn't going to buy you all that much.

/NIN isn't the optimal way to do WAR from 1 to 37. But it'll probably do far better than /BLU or /RDM.

Well what I am trying to do is get a War up to level 37 so I can use it as my subjob for getting Ninja to level 37 (my nin is currently 1) and use my War also for my PLD's subjob. I diddnt want to have to level another job to 18 just to level a war but I guess I have to. >.> Thanks for the help everyone.

[LyonheartLakshmi]

Just to put things into some perspective...

- Taking a job from level 1 to level 18 takes a total of 39,750 exp (this is what you'd have to put into a "4th" job).
- Taking a job from level 1 to level 37 takes a total of 143,250 exp (which is what you'll need to put into WAR and NIN each).
- Taking a job from level 74 to 75 takes a total of 42,000 exp.

Just one level at the very end will take more exp than taking a job from 1 to 18. The last 18 levels (from 58 to 75) takes 504,400 exp.

Granted, parties at higher levels can get faster exp than at low levels. But until you get into those crazy level 75 merit parties, it's still only about twice as fast in the 70s as it was during the previous levels (from my experience, anyways). And PLD isn't one of the preferred jobs for those 25k per hour parties.

In other words, getting a job from level 1 to 18 really isn't all that much work, when you compare it to what you're going to end up having to endure.

[Celeal]

If you are going to WAR/BLU, I guess you are going for Cocoon's 50% Defense Bonus?

Note: Since Cocoon is level 8 BLU spell, WAR/BLU gets it at level 16.

I never try or seen any WAR/BLU in exp. parties, so I won't make comment of its performance as a tank. However Cocoon is only useful for mitigation. If the mob is attacking you, Cocoon can be useful. If the mob is not attacking you, Cocoon is useless. In order words, if you are invited as DD in party, then WAR/BLU is not very useful. If WAR/BLU is invited as a tank, Cocoon is useful if and only if the WAR/BLU can hold hate.

[IfritnoItazura]

Note: Since Cocoon is level 8 BLU spell, WAR/BLU gets it at level 18.

8 * 2 = 16

^_^;

Everything else is spot on, though.

[Celeal]

okay... (' A ')

Edited the number~

[Amele]

RDM is already bad as a sub. Subbing it to a job with no native spellcasting makes it worse. I don't have enough experience with BLU to know if it's the same way or not.

rdm is a bad sub?

I mean, it sure sucks for most melee/mage setups, but not any more so than /blm /whm /smn etc. (in party situations)

for drg: /rdm is better than /whm if all you need is healing breath triggers.

for mages: /rdm is a fine choice, dispel and fast cast are both attractive options for whm and blm, and bard can benefit from fast cast as well (since it affects songs). it's not as obviously versatile as /whm, but it's not like it's *bad* just because you don't get convert out of it. etc.

[Lmnop]

Let's put it this way- If you're ASKING if a nonstandard job combo is good, you're too inexperienced to make it good. The cookie cutter is popular for a reason- it works.

Effing brilliant.

[bri360]

Well I gave in lol, im training my MNK to lvl 18 so I can use it for my war. So far ive learned that MNk solo's soo much better and faster than a war lol.