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Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 1,673 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 1,673 Donate  | effective tanking i am a 16 lvl galka war with no sub (at this point). and have had an issue or two in trying to be an effective tank. I have the 12 lvl grx and my skill is usally capped by the time i level. just the scale armor. I use boiled crayfish. (most economical becasue i can craft it)
The Problem: When the puller brings the mob back to camp and I voke, the mob doesn't always come to me and continues to chase the puller ( not so good) the puller spams for me to voke, but at this point it won't be ready for another 30. the puller is pulling with voke and not ranged. I usually end up using berserk to get the mobs attention, but that's got its own consequences.
what am i doing wrong ?what could I do better?
I don't intend to make warrior my main or even tank much past 30, but i would like to be effective while i am tanking. |  | ::Quote Selected::  | | | 02-14-2007, 10:30 AM | #2 (permalink) | | Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Tejas Posts: 598 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 104
Thanked 79x in 47 Posts Gil: 3,529 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 3,529 Donate | Re: effective tanking Originally Posted by Zeraze  | | the puller is pulling with voke and not ranged. | I'd say that's part of the problem. They could use bow, xbow, gun (if they have one at that level, and it's not super important to pull it immediately), or a freaking pebble for crying out loud. Hell, if they're going to pull with voke, you may as well pull and tank. Then maybe he wouldn't have a crap-fit when you can't get it off of him. | | | ::Quote Selected:: | | | 02-14-2007, 10:54 AM | #3 (permalink) | | Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 926 Style: Light - Version 6 My Mood:  Thanks: 232
Thanked 68x in 60 Posts Gil: 2,614 Bank: 61,612 Total Gil: 64,225 Donate | Re: effective tanking From my experience, the first Provoke that initiate the battle has higher hate than the following Provoke. If the puller pulls with provoke, then the tank provoke the mob at the camp, the puller should have higher hate, and the mob would continue to focus on the puller.
Basically it is your puller's fault.
However, a way to improve your hate control is make sure your TP is over 100% or close to 100% before the battle begins. When the mob comes in, Provoke, then use Shield Break as soon as possible. Depends on the duration of the battle and your accuracy, save enough TP for the opening of the next fight.  Server: Quetzalcoatl
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Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 1,673 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 1,673 Donate | Re: effective tanking that's exactly what i have been doing ^^ thanks | | | ::Quote Selected:: | | | 02-14-2007, 01:36 PM | #5 (permalink) | | X's General FFXIWiki Team Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 2,848 Style: Light - Version 6 My Mood:  Thanks: 218
Thanked 702x in 376 Posts Gil: 44,739 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 44,739 Donate | Re: effective tanking | Quote: | From my experience, the first Provoke that initiate the battle has higher hate than the following Provoke. If the puller pulls with provoke, then the tank provoke the mob at the camp, the puller should have higher hate, and the mob would continue to focus on the puller.
Basically it is your puller's fault. | Actually, I don't think this is exactly the case. Close, though. From my experience duo'ing through the teens with my girlfriend, me as a PLD, she as a RNG, a long time ago, the first action towards the mob has more hate than normally (or perhaps the first person to enter the mob's hate list starts with a higher-than-zero ammount; in the end, it's almost the same thing.) I say this because there were times where she'd shoot our next victim, and even after exceeding the damage she had done to the mob, it would stay on her. After that I tried getting to the mob just before her shot would hit, and even though she hit within a second or two after I did, and her shot did significantly more damage than my sword swing, it would stay on me. So, it's not so much a matter of "the first Provoke in the fight" as it is "the first action in the fight."
That aside, your point still stands; it's the puller's fault. 
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Thanked 21x in 14 Posts Gil: 9,783 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 9,783 Donate | Re: effective tanking If they're gonna insist on pulling with provoke you could let them get whacked a couple of times then voke. Taking damage lowers your hate so you should be able to get it off him then. | | | ::Quote Selected:: | | | 02-14-2007, 02:41 PM | #7 (permalink) | | Senior Member Brain of Knowledge Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 1,128 Style: Light - Version 6 My Mood:  Thanks: 14
Thanked 11x in 11 Posts Gil: 2,021 Bank: 124,098 Total Gil: 126,119 Donate | Re: effective tanking If no one in your party has ranged attack and provoke pulling is the only option I would just pull and tank at the same time. Either way there will be extra cures needed because with the short range of provoke the puller is going to get hit no matter what unless he has shadows so you might as well just let a single person take all the damage like originally intended. | | | ::Quote Selected:: | | | 02-15-2007, 07:36 AM | #8 (permalink) | | Veteran Member Brain of Knowledge Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,710 Style: Dark - Version 5 Thanks: 49
Thanked 286x in 142 Posts Gil: 35,351 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 35,351 Donate | Re: effective tanking Yeah, I'm going to have to agree with the rest of the thread here. If that's the best you can find for a puller besides yourself... get a crossbow and do your own pulling. (Actually, you should come prepared with a crossbow anyway, because in your next party it might be you and a PLD, and then you'd be the one with only provoke to pull with...) Defeated: Maat, Divine Might, Fenrir, Kirin, Cactrot Rapido, Xolotl, Diabolos Prime, Kurrea, 9/10 Dynamis Bosses (missing Tav), Promathia, Proto-Ultima, Proto-Omega, 4 Jailers, Apocalypse Nigh
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Thanked 123x in 90 Posts Gil: 4,850 Bank: 124,693 Total Gil: 129,543 Donate | Re: effective tanking I agree all to the above, I would however consider investing in some bone armour to help defense, its Lvl 16. At lvl 16 with scale armour still isn't too good. Retired Galka enjoying his Mithra's.  | | | ::Quote Selected:: | | | 02-23-2007, 09:43 AM | #10 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 2 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 0
Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 17 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 17 Donate | Re: effective tanking Iam a firm believer in the "first action gets a hate bonus" thing. At these lvls WAR with no sub really has no hate tools to keep hate especially with alot of newer ppl playing jobs like BLM. Here a miss placed fire spell can get you one shot gobbie rushed into that soft white valkrum sand we have all tasted so much.
My advice is to run MNK to at least 18 first and get your sub. This will allow you better dex, str, vit, more hp, and boost which acts like a mini voke. Not to mention your war sub set till 37 till you decide what you wanna stick with. With the combo of voke and boost you can generate so much hate I have had PLDs drop invincible and the mob not even turn an eye for more then a few seconds.
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Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 201 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 201 Donate | Re: effective tanking pulling by voke
sounds like something only a brave tank/puller would do
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Thanked 277x in 164 Posts Gil: 7,061 Bank: 41,461 Total Gil: 48,522 Donate | Re: effective tanking | Quote: | | When the puller brings the mob back to camp and I voke, the mob doesn't always come to me and continues to chase the puller ( not so good) the puller spams for me to voke... | The puller doesn't sound that brave to me. Being brave vs being stupid is a very fine line. Lyonheart
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Thanked 81x in 49 Posts Gil: 1,777 Bank: 30,994 Total Gil: 32,772 Donate | Re: effective tanking Bottom line - you should never pull with Provoke. Myaku of Garuda  Signature courtesy of Selphiie the Enchantress LS: CoVD / GiggleSnorts Manthra - THF/Crafter 63 THF | 43 WHM | 37 WAR | 37 NIN | 25 SMN | 24 PLD | 20 MNK | 20 BLM | All others 10 San d'Oria Rank 6 (6-1) | RotZ 04 | CoP 4-2 | ToAU 12 | WotG 02 Leathercraft 63+1 | Alchemy 60 | Cooking 60 | Woodworking 60 | Smithing 60 | Goldsmithing 35 | Clothcraft 5 | Fishing 1 | Chocobo Digging: Recruit | | | ::Quote Selected:: | | | 02-27-2007, 02:21 PM | #14 (permalink) | | Loaded With Sodium Oracle of Knowledge Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 7,964 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 448
Thanked 1,586x in 1,000 Posts Gil: 2,252 Bank: 28,893 Total Gil: 31,145 Donate | Re: effective tanking | Originally Posted by Wise Donkey | | Bottom line - you should never pull with Provoke. | Unless you are also the tank. But yeah. | | | ::Quote Selected:: | | | 03-09-2007, 09:10 AM | #15 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Aussieland Posts: 13 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 1
Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 163 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 163 Donate | Re: effective tanking | Originally Posted by Fionin | Iam a firm believer in the "first action gets a hate bonus" thing. At these lvls WAR with no sub really has no hate tools to keep hate especially with alot of newer ppl playing jobs like BLM. Here a miss placed fire spell can get you one shot gobbie rushed into that soft white valkrum sand we have all tasted so much.
My advice is to run MNK to at least 18 first and get your sub. This will allow you better dex, str, vit, more hp, and boost which acts like a mini voke. Not to mention your war sub set till 37 till you decide what you wanna stick with. With the combo of voke and boost you can generate so much hate I have had PLDs drop invincible and the mob not even turn an eye for more then a few seconds.
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