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Old 06-12-2006, 04:57 PM   #1 (permalink)
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war/mnk im stuck _ _;
im lvling up war for sam/war and im using a mnk sub at war34/mnk17. my problem is that inv are like ...dead. i seeked for about 5-6 hrs and got 1 inv but they asked for a sub nin so i didnt get in the pt.

I do not have nin unlocked and do not want to unlock it or play it. Nin is just not my style at all. all i need is my war 3 lvls and ill be happy.

Also im using a GA and sushi with a venerer's ring and Eisen and the Eisen+1 gear so im not under equiped at all, i dont miss and can really deal out the dmg, i do like war

so any suggestions on what to do? just bear it out or static with LS members i dunno, i dont really have to worry about it until sam is late 60's (15atm) but still it would just be nice to take it all the way then to stop to lvl a sub. can i get some advice please? ^^
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Old 06-12-2006, 05:09 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: war/mnk im stuck _ _;
I think you somehow answered your own question. Other leaders asked you for sub nin, so that's basicly what you need to be picked.

Another thing that can help is having a nice search comments. This is personal thing, but I like to invite people with nice, friendly and informative comments. No matter what ranks they are, I look at search comment first.

Other choice is to always make your own PT. Some people likes to lead, some doesn't. So it's up to you.



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Old 06-12-2006, 05:10 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: war/mnk im stuck _ _;
Well, either stick it out and grind out your last few levels, or bite the bullet and level ninja.
You could always try and make your own parties. You may take shit for not subbing ninja, but you may not. It really can go both ways. /MNK is just fine, most people just see everyone subbing NIN and think thats the only option.
If you do end up deciding to bite the bullet, you'd only have to level NIN to 18, so its not like its a terrifically huge commitment. But do whichever you want. /MNK is severely underrated.



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Old 06-12-2006, 05:16 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: war/mnk im stuck _ _;
Sooner or later, you're going to need a /nin sub for every melee job. Samurai is no exception. For high level TP burn parties, which are the party type of choice for getting chain #assanine in ToAU, everyone is basically asked to sub ninja To minimize healing, and thus downtime. And you're going to want /nin for when you level up your thf sub for sam anyway.

Even monks are asked to sub ninja sometimes.



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Re: war/mnk im stuck _ _;
I hear where your coming from. My WAR is only 30 atm and I eventually have to get it up to 37 for my Paladin. I decided that I am going to unlock Ninja and use it as a sub for the last 7 levels. I don't really want to play Ninja all that much but in this game it seems like something that you will eventually have to do. I figure I might as well get it over with now.



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Re: war/mnk im stuck _ _;
An important thing to note is that everyone THINKS they're going to hate ninja, and a lot of people end up really liking it.

Also there is the misconception that ninja is this hyper-expensive job that is going to completely drain your bank account. Ninja is more expensive then most jobs, yes. However, it only becomes super expensive once you get Utsusemi: Ni and become a full-time blink tank. when I did ninja from 1-23 I probably only went through about 4 stacks of shihei, or about 44k at current prices (and that was going full-bore burning through it like it was candy).



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Old 06-12-2006, 06:03 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Re: war/mnk im stuck _ _;
On the bright side, the party leaders that know better and will invite you as WAR/MNK will also know better about using sushi at such an early level, and you can use meat dishes instead.



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Re: war/mnk im stuck _ _;
Might I also suggest capping both Axe and GAxe, and mentioning both in your search comment?

It's small, but might make the difference between you and another WAR your level.

Other than that, I'd agree with the people above. If they want NIN, give them NIN.

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Re: war/mnk im stuck _ _;
Could also try going war/thf for the last few levels and enjoy some quality time with Sneak Attack/Sturmwind and yes I to die alittle when i see a war/nin in valk. Plus you will need thf leveled for sam 60+ anyways. But war/thf is what got my war to 37 and my little brother is haveing to level thf and great axe so he can finally get war up to lv 37 for his Paladin so you are not alone.
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Old 06-12-2006, 08:34 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Re: war/mnk im stuck _ _;
I should probably stay away from threads like these, but the unfortunate truth is that you're in the right and the people who want /nin are in the wrong. However, having both available is really nice.

You can always make your own parties.



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Re: war/mnk im stuck _ _;
Unless you know the details on a specific party build, you're really stretching it to say someone is in the wrong to ask for /nin. I've definitely been in more than one party where healing was a little light, but having a backup war/nin for the NIN main kept the party moving for decent exp at a time when there weren't enough support jobs LFG. As was mentioned, you don't have to level NIN to sub for your war, people will argue forever that /mnk or /thf is better for DoT, but it's not always about DoT, sometimes damage mitigation will mean more for your exp/hour than a little more damage output. Your best bet to avoid leveling it for the time being, is indeed to level with some friends/make your own parties/solo fairly slowly.
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Re: war/mnk im stuck _ _;
If you have thf leveled I would go war/thf for the last three levels. As mentioned above Sneak Attack Sturmwind can put out huge numbers.

Make sure that your search comment is up to date. If you want to try and stay War/mnk, I would put in my comment "Trick partner {Do you need it}". As a War/mnk you can be a great trick partner because you can be the first voke and you will have enough defence to limit the amount of damage you will take.

I liked War/thf better because the amount of damage that you can do makes it easy to pull hate from the ninja when his shadows go down and he needs to recast.

My sig lists my sub as ninja only because I am leveling it right now and it has not past my warrior in level.
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Re: war/mnk im stuck _ _;
I need to start leveling my WAR again because I just hit 60/30. My Nin is at 18, so thats good, but my Axe is nowhere near the cap. Thats why I don't want to sub nin and dual wield stuff. I won't hit a darn thing. My BST isn't yet high enough to help me cap it either.

So I'll try and get by with /MNK.



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Re: war/mnk im stuck _ _;
WAR/NIN is going to be useful in a party as a main/backup tank at lvl27. WAR/MNK is going to be better if you are the spare DD in the party and want to do more DoT. So you want to put in your search comment something about being a DD WAR, and take Dhalmel Pies (not sushi or mithkabobs). However I would also suggest lvling NIN because its a fun job (although say goodbye to any free inventory space if you take all your powders with you), plus you can add Duel Wield to your WAR and lvl your Axe skill nicely. Some BCNMs benefit from NIN sub also.

Having always lvled my cooking with my main job, I have always hunted out the best food for the right lvls, and Sushi at your lvl is overkill and expensive. Don't use Mithkabobs unless you can't get Dhalmel Pies (Windy NPC sells them if you are a Windy citizen and Windy is 1st). Because of the Attack % and caps of Dhalmel Pies vs Mithkabobs, plus the 25extra HP and some other nice attributes, you get more for your money, and they stack nicely too.

I got invited to a party at the weekend as WAR34/NIN17 and I found out there were 3 WAR/NINs in the party so I asked can I come WAR/MNK (I don't have THF lvled), but was told to come WAR/NIN instead. /Sigh I could have contributed much better as a WAR/MNK to DD while the other 2 flipped tanking between them, but alas it wasn't my party so I just grinned and took it on the chin.
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Re: war/mnk im stuck _ _;
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WAR/NIN is going to be useful in a party as a main/backup tank at lvl27. WAR/MNK is going to be better if you are the spare DD in the party and want to do more DoT.
No, WAR/MNK is a better tank at that lvl than WAR/NIN unless you have at least 2 WAR/NIN to share hate, if you are fighting Mandragoras they eat your shadows fast so you really need a backup, plus /MNK is much better for keeping hate.

After lvl 30 WAR/NIN is a good sata partner if you have a NIN or a PLD tanking but it really isn't that good compared to /MNK. Now, after lvl 50 when you get Dual Weild II that's when /NIN really starts being useful and you start getting access to much better axes too.

So, unless you are hitting so hard that you steal hate too often /NIN isnt required at all at those levels. And really, at those levels a G. Axe is much better anyway.



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