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Bolla · 03-15-2008, 08:13 AM

Ok this part will be a spoiler but I will keep out the key info. you know when you play final fantasy 11 story and make it far, there will be an npc that can use 2 two hours at the battle field. I wonder
can we get a change to do that as well? it would be great to use our sub job 2 hour.
I use Astral Flow yay I wait 2 hours, I am now in a pt oh no the party hp bar is in the red zone bam
it's Benediction time wait 2 hours.

Neomage · 03-15-2008, 08:40 AM

Square Enix will never, ever give us the Two-Hour abilities of our support job. Ever. A support job is supposed to supplement your main, not define it. Even if you could only use one or the other every two hours, it would still be to overpowered (Chainspell + Burst II anyone? What about G-Axe Warrior with Hundred Fists?) Yes, it is true that some monsters and NPCs can use both abilities, but they are meant to exceed the expectations and provide challenges for us. While many NMs get powerful abilities and attacks we can never used, this is balanced by the fact they they are run off of scripts and AI, while we, the players, have genuine strategy and intelligence at out disposal... Not that we actually use it anymore.

Omgwtfbbqkitten · 03-15-2008, 08:43 AM

And not to mention, there's a job out there that can reset JAs and possibly two hour abilities as well. The existance of COR makes resetting a two hour possible.

Bolla · 03-15-2008, 08:59 AM

Or Square Enix can only let us use it on a special battle field.. A npc gives me an item
I use it to fight a powerful mob. after the fight I get a cut seen and a good reward.

Mog · 03-15-2008, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by Bolla

Or Square Enix can only let us use it on a special battle field.. A npc gives me an item
I use it to fight a powerful mob. after the fight I get a cut seen and a good reward.

I'm not sure I understand this...

There are special battlefields, such as besieged, that let you use a Revitalizer that resets your two-hour. This is a special case, and you can't use revitalizers outside of the battlefield.

Bolla · 03-19-2008, 01:37 AM

Originally Posted by Mog

I'm not sure I understand this...

There are special battlefields, such as besieged, that let you use a Revitalizer that resets your two-hour. This is a special case, and you can't use revitalizers outside of the battlefield.

Yes that is correct, we should only be able to do this inside a special hardcore quest battle field.
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Originally Posted by Omgwtfbbqkitten

And not to mention, there's a job out there that can reset JAs and possibly two hour abilities as well. The existance of COR makes resetting a two hour possible.

But this sub job 2 hour should be weaker then the main 2 hour, because our subjob can never reach level 75 like our main job.

Murphie · 03-19-2008, 02:16 AM

Why are you asking for this? Because it would be "cool" or what? Because it wouldn't actually be that cool. I'm just letting you know.

Bolla · 03-19-2008, 05:06 AM

Originally Posted by Murphie

Why are you asking for this? Because it would be "cool" or what? Because it wouldn't actually be that cool. I'm just letting you know.

It will be cool So that they can provide a challenge for us, and also to have more fun for the years to come. Final Fantasy been out for a while my wish might come true

Feba · 03-19-2008, 05:16 AM

How would this be challenging?

Also, you do realize that those characters are not using their subjob's 2Hr, but they literally have two main jobs, right?

Ziero · 03-19-2008, 06:17 AM

Yea, NPCs cheat in that they have dual jobs, both are full strength and fully leveled.

As for the challenge in this game, exactly how much of the storylines have you done because some of those fights are very challenging already and giving players an incredible buff like being able to use a Subjobs 2 hour would be HORRIBLY overpowered. Seriously, Chainspelling AMs, Rng/Sam using 4-5 WS in a row, War/Mnk going hundred fist with a Gaxe, these are all absurdly broken concepts that would tear through mobs.

The Mauva Syndicate · 03-25-2008, 04:44 AM

Originally Posted by Omgwtfbbqkitten

And not to mention, there's a job out there that can reset JAs and possibly two hour abilities as well. The existance of COR makes resetting a two hour possible.

Are COR's Wild Card effects not certain? there should be a 2/6 chance to reset some and a 1/6 chance to reset all 2hr's in the AoE. I thought that was the case, but it sounds like there is some doubt. Anyone know? (not wanting to derail)

Jonastb · 03-25-2008, 05:01 AM

I believe he is referring to a specific NPC who is a 75 BLM/75 RDM who uses both 2 hours. While that would be awesome, I don't see a time when it would actually be required. At least not yet.

Fun, oh yea. Chainspell + Manafont + just about anything = lots of fun and damage.

Kitalrez · 03-25-2008, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by Jonastb

I believe he is referring to a specific NPC who is a 75 BLM/75 RDM who uses both 2 hours. While that would be awesome, I don't see a time when it would actually be required. At least not yet.

Fun, oh yea. Chainspell + Manafont + just about anything = lots of fun and damage.

True, but remember that NPC Manafont is essentially Chainspell. They don't have mp pools to draw from, or at least to the point where they'd need the free spells. There are mobs you can aspir down to decent levels, but they're not that common.

And yeah, using 2hrs from subs would be kind of overpowered. The NPCs that do use both are specifically designed either to be ridiculously hard, or to be very useful when helping you out. I'm specifically thinking of a certain NPC using both Hundred Fists and Benediction, and another mob that uses Manafont (Chainspell) and Blood Weapon. They're not there to give you an idea on what is possible, just to make things harder/easier.

Bolla · 03-27-2008, 09:35 AM

(I'm specifically thinking of a certain NPC using both Hundred Fists and Benediction)yes she was soo cool doing that It made me wanna be like her, but anyway I have send in a feedback to SE and I hope to get a reply soon. I wish that we can only do this at a special battle field. it could be kinda like (dim) end game stuff.

Jonastb · 03-27-2008, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by Bolla

(I'm specifically thinking of a certain NPC using both Hundred Fists and Benediction)yes she was soo cool doing that It made me wanna be like her, but anyway I have send in a feedback to SE and I hope to get a reply soon. I wish that we can only do this at a special battle field. it could be kinda like (dim) end game stuff.

I forgot about her, cause though she was cool, blowing things up, and quickly is always cooler.