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Thanked 155x in 51 Posts Gil: 5,347 Bank: 145,857 Total Gil: 151,204 Donate  | Elemental Syphon Just tried it out in Rolan. Matched day to spirit. Recovered 276 MP. Dunno if day affects results. 5 min recast, but 250+ MP recovered is pretty nice.  
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Thanked 50x in 40 Posts Gil: 12,000 Bank: 20,490 Total Gil: 32,491 Donate | Re: Elemental Syphon I was just about to post my observation on this. Saw a Summoner testing this at Qufim Island when I logged on and they drained 146 MP from their light spirit (light day but no light weather). Don't know what level they were since they were anon, but highest level piece of equipment they had on was 56.
Could this possibly be affected by Summoning magic skill? That would give us a reason to keep it up.
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Thanked 41x in 35 Posts Gil: 22,356 Bank: 1,559 Total Gil: 23,915 Donate | Re: Elemental Syphon would also explain why Gobo got 276 i think thats the soft cap for an A+ skill, now all SMN needs to do is /SCH have a prepetual refresh of 3 +gear and thats 1 i can take off my refresh list HURRAY FOR SE
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Thanked 40x in 19 Posts Gil: 1,499 Bank: 45,230 Total Gil: 46,729 Donate | Re: Elemental Syphon How potent is this at sub level? While I doubt this would close the gap between /SCH and /SMN for WHM, I wonder if it could be situationally useful?
I'd test for myself, but I've still got an hour left to download ; ; 
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Thanked 50x in 40 Posts Gil: 12,000 Bank: 20,490 Total Gil: 32,491 Donate | Re: Elemental Syphon It might not be available at sub level, but not sure yet. I know my 24 Summoner doesn't have it yet. | | | ::Quote Selected:: | | | 03-10-2008, 05:30 PM | #6 (permalink) | | Wild Rover! Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 538 Style: Dark - Version 6 My Mood:  Thanks: 22
Thanked 89x in 60 Posts Gil: 12,127 Bank: 30,031 Total Gil: 42,157 Donate | Re: Elemental Syphon Light Spirit @ 257 base skill, raised to 277 through gear
Apollo's Staff
Darksday
No weather
204 mp back
And now I wait 5 mins. I suppose it'll cut downtime some, but it kind of seems like a glorified Aspir right now. Don't get me wrong, this is a skill that'll save your butt, but it won't get you anywhere near the point where you don't have to sit for large portions of the party. Also, the elemental continues to drain mp away as you use this, you have to let it go almost instantaneously to achieve maximum benefit. I think I would've preferred some kind of very low refresh effect and no mp cost from ele's for the duration, as then I could at least have something out and doing things while I got mp recharged. It's not great on the level that Carby Mitts and refresh cloaks were, but it's not horrible either. | Originally Posted by Igor | | You know, I'll never forget my old dad. When these things would happen to him... the things he'd say to me. | | Originally Posted by Dr. Frankenstein | | What did he say? | | Originally Posted by Igor | | What the hell are you doing the bathroom all day and night. Why don't you get out of there and give someone else a chance? | | | | ::Quote Selected:: | | | 03-10-2008, 05:35 PM | #7 (permalink) | | I am acctually you!! Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 684 Style: Light - Version 6 My Mood: Thanks: 34
Thanked 41x in 35 Posts Gil: 22,356 Bank: 1,559 Total Gil: 23,915 Donate | Re: Elemental Syphon hmmm perhaps it may have bearing on the day/weather, its just me but i find light elemental to be weak on dark day, and vice versa. Perhaps you can test earth on earth and see what happens.
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Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 1,959 Bank: 12,289 Total Gil: 14,248 Donate | Re: Elemental Syphon yay hip hip cheer we got something  | | | ::Quote Selected:: | | | 03-10-2008, 06:15 PM | #9 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 17 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 0
Thanked 3 Times in 1 Post Gil: 6,813 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 6,813 Donate | Re: Elemental Syphon I think I was the person mentioned on testing with a light spirit in quifin.
I am a lvl 56 SMN.
OK, What I learnt.
test 1
Light Spirit on Light day, no weather.
have +10 on summoning skill as equips, using light staff
Got 147 MP
did again
Got 147 MP
did again
Got 147MP
test 2
same set up, but letting element build up tp
pet TP 0 = 147 MP
pet TP 100+ = 147 MP
pet TP 200+ = 147 MP
pet TP 300 = 147 MP
good news, TP is not a factor.
unequiped all gear that has summoning magic + on it, and repeated test 1
1st - 137 MP
2nd - 137 MP
3rd - 137 MP
changed to full equips, and used dark spirit on light day + light staff
128 MP.
Thats the sum of my testing so far. | | | ::Quote Selected:: | | The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Vatic For This Useful Post: | | | | 03-10-2008, 06:31 PM | #10 (permalink) | | Mad Scientist Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: UK Posts: 341 Style: Light - Version 6 My Mood:  Thanks: 199
Thanked 64x in 35 Posts Gil: 5,060 Bank: 68,462 Total Gil: 73,522 Donate | Re: Elemental Syphon Just for the record, level 40 smn, no Elemental Siphon JA. 
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Thanked 182x in 120 Posts Gil: 16,110 Bank: 81,727 Total Gil: 97,837 Donate | Re: Elemental Syphon Is this just another whip-it-out-and-put-it-back move?
1. Summon X Spirit.
2. Siphon.
3. Banish X Spirit.
4. Go back to healing.
Is this a reason to actually keep a spirit out instead of putting it away, because my impression is that it doesn't really change summoner in any way except to give them a periodic MP regain ability. | | | ::Quote Selected:: | | | 03-10-2008, 09:08 PM | #12 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 16 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 0
Thanked 6x in 3 Posts Gil: 8,522 Bank: 11,393 Total Gil: 19,915 Donate | Re: Elemental Syphon Using spirits not of the current day grants (skill - 50) MP returned unaffected by staves. Using spirit of the day grants (skill - 26)MP returned. Have not spent enough time chasing down weather to test that. Vatic should be able to verify by telling us his skill.
My testing for the record
Wind day/wind elemental/wind staff
272 return - 298 skill with equip
Wind day/wind elemental/ earth staff
272 return - 298 skill
Thunder day/wind elemental/ wind staff
248 - 298 skill
233 - 283 skill
Thunder day/earth elemental/earth staff
243 - 293 skill | | | ::Quote Selected:: | | The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Roo For This Useful Post: | | | | 03-11-2008, 05:51 AM | #13 (permalink) | | Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 885 Style: Dark - Version 5 My Mood: Thanks: 10
Thanked 155x in 51 Posts Gil: 5,347 Bank: 145,857 Total Gil: 151,204 Donate | Re: Elemental Syphon Originally Posted by Roo  | Using spirits not of the current day grants (skill - 50) MP returned unaffected by staves. Using spirit of the day grants (skill - 26)MP returned. Have not spent enough time chasing down weather to test that. Vatic should be able to verify by telling us his skill.
My testing for the record
Wind day/wind elemental/wind staff
272 return - 298 skill with equip
Wind day/wind elemental/ earth staff
272 return - 298 skill
Thunder day/wind elemental/ wind staff
248 - 298 skill
233 - 283 skill
Thunder day/earth elemental/earth staff
243 - 293 skill | Oh good, this makes for a great case to merit SMN skill now. Would be possible to get 300+ MP back with the right gear and day.
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Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 1,959 Bank: 12,289 Total Gil: 14,248 Donate | Re: Elemental Syphon Hmm will we get more mp if we use our 2 hour? | | | ::Quote Selected:: | | | 03-11-2008, 08:31 AM | #15 (permalink) | | Pink Mage Brain of Knowledge Join Date: May 2006 Location: Bastok/Illinois Posts: 1,579 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 154
Thanked 182x in 120 Posts Gil: 16,110 Bank: 81,727 Total Gil: 97,837 Donate | Re: Elemental Syphon | Originally Posted by Bolla | | Hmm will we get more mp if we use our 2 hour? | They're separate JA's. I don't see why Astral Flow would affect it. | | | ::Quote Selected:: | |
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