When is best time to get the extra avatars?

[Bolla]

When is the best level to get wolf avatar?
I am level 53 without those two, should I level up another job to 75
and try to get them? I will try to solo the wolf avatar I never fight him before.
it will be my first time to get them.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Generally, its best to already have a high level job so you can have all the avatars before you level SMN, but SE decided years ago to dumb the system down so SMNs could have all the celestial avatars through solo fights before becoming higher in level.

The fights to obtain Fenrir and Diabolos are uncapped fights, meaning they're full power against level 75 players. They will eat you alive if you try to solo them, and your celestial avatars, too.

You have to collect whispers from the celestials to even fight Fenrir to start with, meaning you'll have to fight all the celestials again and put them toward a moon bauble. As for Diabolos, you have to have completed Chains of Promathia mission 3-5 to take him on in Prime form later in an uncapped fight. So, yeah, mission progress is a requirement for him.

Its is advisable for you to find some high level players to assist you, though there are lots of SMNs that I've met always happy to do avatar battles, I'm sure there are such people on your server.

[Pteryx]

That being said, you don't necessarily need level 75 players to take on Fenrir. 65-70 will do, assuming a full party with a good setup. Diabolos, OTOH... well, let's just say he's Dynamis Lord lite in some ways. Fortunately, due to the requirements to even try to get Diabolos, lacking him is usually forgiven. -- Pteryx

[DakAttack]

Diabolos was easy, I don't understand why people have such a troubling time with him.

[Raydeus]

Diabolos is nowhere near the DL's difficulty, that's for sure. But he can be annoying to kill sometimes, specially if you have bad luck in what attacks he uses and when.

Saying he is really easy is as wrong as saying he is too tough. It's just a matter of party setup, player skill and a bit of luck. And yeah, the same can be said about any fight in the game.


About SMN I really can't recomend it as a first job unless you don't mind going all the way to 50+ without Fenrir (Diabolos seems to be very situational). Also, some of the gear that really helps SMN (like Carby mitts) requires you to either have a high lvl job or have a really good LS that's willing to help you with that kind of stuff.

At lvl 20 you can fight the mini avatar fights to get the basic avatars, but it can get expensive sometimes if you don't have much skill/experience with the game (and new players usually lack both), so make sure you have some gil available for consumables and good armor.


/rant
But then again maybe it's just my bias because I hate playing the job, you can't use avatars for much, and main healing at lower lvls as SMN has to be the gimpest I've ever felt playing the game, and while I have all the avatars unlocked that didn't make feel any better about the job.

(I actually think I should've taken the gil or items instead of the summons ).
/end rant

Good luck on whatever you decide to do though.

[Karinya]

Generally, its best to already have a high level job so you can have all the avatars before you level SMN, but SE decided years ago to dumb the system down so SMNs could have all the celestial avatars through solo fights before becoming higher in level.

Well, actually, the solo fights are *much* harder than party fights against the same avatars (even if you use a level 60 or 65 party, let alone destroying them with 75s). So it isn't really "dumbing down".

The fights to obtain Fenrir and Diabolos are uncapped fights, meaning they're full power against level 75 players. They will eat you alive if you try to solo them, and your celestial avatars, too.

IMO they should have added level 40 or 50 solo Fenrir/Diabolos fights - and made them the hardest solo fights in the game, making RDM Maat or the solo ENMs look like wimps. That would have been cool (and demolished the requirement - that ONLY SMN suffers from - of having another 60+ job in order to get all your spells).

Having another job leveled is useful to get gear for a lot of jobs, SMN included, but no specific piece of gear is all *that* job defining. Having all your significant spells *is* job defining, and in that respect SMN isn't quite fixed yet. But most players know about that, and since you can still contribute usefully to a party with Carby + celestials, I'd say don't sweat it; try to get together with a LS or something and get them when you can, but you can certainly level without them. Once you get to high levels and start doing endgame-ish activities you'll meet more players with high level jobs who can hook you up. Certainly by the time you join any endgame LS, they'll want to get you any avatars you don't already have.

[pyromaniac]

it doesnt really matter im sure anyone will help i soloed all avatars on my SMN or on my NIN/WHM it, lotta ppl will help cuz thats gil that there recieveing from those fights and there always fun to do.. well are to me! on Fenrir just get 5smns to do it takes like 3min tops from my experiances only if the SMNs are willing may have to send personal tells though kinda makes it harder to say no the ignoreing shouts.... on Diabolos i did it with 3ppl SMN BLM RDM that was b4 the BLM resist thing and it was a EASY fight but that was then NOW he is harder BUT very easy also just get 3 SAMs Thats all u need have 1 sam Solo Light with 2hr then the next solo light with 2hr and the 3rd should kill it by the 2nd WS with frag and he can 3rd to solo light to finish n if that fails u can always meditate =P so 3sams is a GREAT way to own Diabolos :D

[Malacite]

The fights to obtain Fenrir and Diabolos are uncapped fights, meaning they're full power against level 75 players. They will eat you alive if you try to solo them, and your celestial avatars, too.

Unless you're this guy.

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTnqV4eimr8[/YOUTUBE]

[Karinya]

Nifty. And IIRC, Fenrir has been soloed by either Avesta, or someone using similar tactics.

But most people have trouble beating them even in groups so trying to solo them isn't recommended.

[Feenicks]

There is a vid of someone soloing Fenrir as a NIN/something. I remember that when he got Fenrir to 50% he switched to swords and stunned Howling Moon with Flat Blade.

[Malacite]

Supposedly a THF/NIN has soloed him with average gear... guy in my LS was ranting about it. I still don't believe it. If Fenrir can mow down a NIN, THF doesn't have a chance in hell.

Evasion will help ye not against Howling Moon >_>p and I'm pretty sure Fenrir is resistant to Bloody Bolts. Could be wrong on that though (since drain is a darkness based effect. Mind you, Blood Weapon works fine on Diabolos so...)

[Taskmage]

I saw the video of thf/nin soloing Fenrir on stage6. Looks legit but he did use a lot of meds. Same guy also soloed the morbol KSNM. Pretty impressive.

[Malacite]

o O wow.

Well, here's hoping the new avatars for WotG are actually Alex and Odin >. > (given that they're the only missing celestials.)