Chain #12.. ~2000 exp in pull, screenshots inside (*'-')

Damastas · 05-31-2004, 04:46 PM

My brother and I were experimenting with Astral Flow and its mass killing abilities.. and this is what we came up with. ^^ We'll let you debate it.

Even the 廃人 watching were impressed..

Sorry for the bad quality and large size, they were taken with a bad digital camera, and I play on a PS2 so no fraps.

Enjoy.

Damastas · 05-31-2004, 04:48 PM

And.

#2

Damastas · 05-31-2004, 04:49 PM

Us.

Lenin · 05-31-2004, 04:57 PM

Heh, sure was laggy training 15 lizards...
Next time, I'm gonna try everything.
Should be more to come later.

Gatts · 05-31-2004, 10:17 PM

Astral flow is the most broken 2 Hr ever.
Mass murder.

Tomoh · 05-31-2004, 10:52 PM

12 chain and 2000 Exp is quite impressive.

How about some details on your battle? Your PT set up, LVs, Main/Sub, which Astral Flow used and how many times? Thanks.

Damastas · 05-31-2004, 11:06 PM

Setup? Me, as a 15 SMN. / 7 WHM.

My brother as a 54 PLD/WAR.

Brother, who is not partied, pulls ~15 lizards to me, stands there taking hits, I summon Shiva and 2hour. Hits each one for 250 dmg each, bringing them to about 25% life left. The one that was originally targeted for Astral Flow switches target to you, but a simple Cure from the PLD took agro back.

After first Astral Flow, sit and heal MP back to ~50 to 2hour again. Stand up, cast Shiva, Diamond Dust again, 250 to each, all dead. 15 decent match to tough range mobs dying instantly = chain # whatever amount of even match+ there were.

The PT consisted of just me, and my brother assisting with pulling / keeping them busy for me to do whatever.

EDIT: Simply mathematical data.

Damage overall: Astral Flow for 250 damage each time, used twice, on 15 lizards=7500 damage.

Overall time of the battle: 1min10 seconds.

Collective damage per second: 107.14285714285714285714285714286 damage per second for 70 seconds.

If you ask me, SMN 2hour is overpowered.

Deedlit · 06-01-2004, 05:38 AM

At level 15, maybe.

With near max summoning skill at 61, I think I see...800-ish damage on IT mobs. Which is nothing. Nor do I think doing this on decents-toughs at my level will result in this, though I might try.

Anyway, I think being able to do *that* more than makes up for its uselessness in an exp PT, and that is assuming it works for higher levels.

Malamasala · 06-01-2004, 10:48 AM

Calling something that can be interrupted for overpowered is a little dumb. There isn't many other 2 hours out there that a mob can stop and avoid.

Damastas · 06-01-2004, 03:06 PM

Mobs can stop and interrupt Astral Flow? The way we did it, it's 100% guaranteed..

StarRealms · 06-01-2004, 03:45 PM

maybe referring to the annoying ranges on astral flow, I've lost it once b4 because I used it, enemy aggroed from me using it, ran after me, and it just stopped (this could have been stopped if I just did the ability near the mob but sitll a tad annoying)

Gatts · 06-01-2004, 06:41 PM

Astral flow cant be interrupted, it has no cast time.
You could however lose your Avatar during their 2 hour blood pact, but it hardly ever happens.
Also, you can lose it by drawing the target out of range - but that would be dumb, and that applies to many other 2 Hour abilities of other jobs anyway, the only difference with Astral Flow being you have to wait for the chance to use blood pact again.

SlottyM · 06-03-2004, 08:08 AM

Quote:

Astral flow cant be interrupted, it has no cast time.

if your pet gets put asleep, petrified or stunned, it will be interrupted.

Oceanfish · 06-03-2004, 11:20 AM

1. They do have cast times, 3-5 seconds worth, plus the avatar summoning time, positioning.
2. It uses _all_ your MP, with a minimum of lv*2.
3. After LV50ish, the two hour only does a small fraction of a monster's life in damage, especially if skill is not maxed.
4. After level 65-70+, it's more useful just to use regular techniques as opposed to the two hour abilities-- at this point they're not good for much more than AoE Provoke while escape goes off.

A black mage subbing red mage can dish out much more damage at the higher end using their two hour, and don't use any mp.
As can a red mage with their 2hr and BLM sub, and can convert.

Gatts · 06-06-2004, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SlottyM

if your pet gets put asleep, petrified or stunned, it will be interrupted.

interrupted as in "<mob> hits carbuncle for <x> points of damage, carbuncles casting is interrupted".
but yeah, true.

05-31-2004, 04:49 PM	#3
Damastas Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 54 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	Us. Attached Thumbnails

05-31-2004, 10:17 PM	#5
Gatts Junior Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 52 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	Astral flow is the most broken 2 Hr ever. Mass murder. __________________ Get to the gone! Under the gun! Last edited by Gatts on 06-06-06 at 06:66 AM

05-31-2004, 10:52 PM	#6
Tomoh ビアードパパ Bronze Ribbon of Service Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 898 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 1 Post	12 chain and 2000 Exp is quite impressive. How about some details on your battle? Your PT set up, LVs, Main/Sub, which Astral Flow used and how many times? Thanks. __________________ RDM 75, BLM 73, WHM 42, SMN 41, RNG 40, NIN 37, DRK 37, THF 25, WAR 20

06-01-2004, 05:38 AM	#8
Deedlit Member Bronze Ribbon of Service Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 739 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	At level 15, maybe. With near max summoning skill at 61, I think I see...800-ish damage on IT mobs. Which is nothing. Nor do I think doing this on decents-toughs at my level will result in this, though I might try. Anyway, I think being able to do that more than makes up for its uselessness in an exp PT, and that is assuming it works for higher levels. __________________ Legacy of Cid Forums

06-01-2004, 03:45 PM	#11
StarRealms Junior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 470 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	maybe referring to the annoying ranges on astral flow, I've lost it once b4 because I used it, enemy aggroed from me using it, ran after me, and it just stopped (this could have been stopped if I just did the ability near the mob but sitll a tad annoying) __________________ Still trying to play way too much... 60 BRD, 75 BST, 37 WHM, 15 THF, 16 BLM BCNM40 over 100 wins >< BCNM60 \|] 3-0-1 [\| Pallas - 2/16 (Solo'd at LVL 64) Alksomething - 0/8

05-31-2004, 04:46 PM	#1
Damastas Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 54 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	*Chain #12.. ~2000 exp in pull, screenshots inside ('-')** My brother and I were experimenting with Astral Flow and its mass killing abilities.. and this is what we came up with. ^^ We'll let you debate it. Even the 廃人 watching were impressed.. Sorry for the bad quality and large size, they were taken with a bad digital camera, and I play on a PS2 so no fraps. Enjoy. Attached Thumbnails

05-31-2004, 04:48 PM	#2
Damastas Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 54 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	And. #2 Attached Thumbnails

05-31-2004, 04:57 PM	#4
Lenin Junior Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 4 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	Heh, sure was laggy training 15 lizards... Next time, I'm gonna try everything. Should be more to come later.

05-31-2004, 11:06 PM	#7
Damastas Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 54 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	Setup? Me, as a 15 SMN. / 7 WHM. My brother as a 54 PLD/WAR. Brother, who is not partied, pulls ~15 lizards to me, stands there taking hits, I summon Shiva and 2hour. Hits each one for 250 dmg each, bringing them to about 25% life left. The one that was originally targeted for Astral Flow switches target to you, but a simple Cure from the PLD took agro back. After first Astral Flow, sit and heal MP back to ~50 to 2hour again. Stand up, cast Shiva, Diamond Dust again, 250 to each, all dead. 15 decent match to tough range mobs dying instantly = chain # whatever amount of even match+ there were. The PT consisted of just me, and my brother assisting with pulling / keeping them busy for me to do whatever. EDIT: Simply mathematical data. Damage overall: Astral Flow for 250 damage each time, used twice, on 15 lizards=7500 damage. Overall time of the battle: 1min10 seconds. Collective damage per second: 107.14285714285714285714285714286 damage per second for 70 seconds. If you ask me, SMN 2hour is overpowered.

06-01-2004, 10:48 AM	#9
Malamasala Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 47 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	Calling something that can be interrupted for overpowered is a little dumb. There isn't many other 2 hours out there that a mob can stop and avoid.

06-01-2004, 03:06 PM	#10
Damastas Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 54 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	Mobs can stop and interrupt Astral Flow? The way we did it, it's 100% guaranteed..

06-01-2004, 06:41 PM	#12
Gatts Junior Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 52 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	Astral flow cant be interrupted, it has no cast time. You could however lose your Avatar during their 2 hour blood pact, but it hardly ever happens. Also, you can lose it by drawing the target out of range - but that would be dumb, and that applies to many other 2 Hour abilities of other jobs anyway, the only difference with Astral Flow being you have to wait for the chance to use blood pact again. __________________ Get to the gone! Under the gun! Last edited by Gatts on 06-06-06 at 06:66 AM

06-03-2004, 11:20 AM	#14
Oceanfish Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 149 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	1. They do have cast times, 3-5 seconds worth, plus the avatar summoning time, positioning. 2. It uses _all_ your MP, with a minimum of lv*2. 3. After LV50ish, the two hour only does a small fraction of a monster's life in damage, especially if skill is not maxed. 4. After level 65-70+, it's more useful just to use regular techniques as opposed to the two hour abilities-- at this point they're not good for much more than AoE Provoke while escape goes off. A black mage subbing red mage can dish out much more damage at the higher end using their two hour, and don't use any mp. As can a red mage with their 2hr and BLM sub, and can convert.

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