Auto-refresh, refresh, ballad... stackability

Blubbers · 03-21-2004, 08:53 AM

I had a quick question -- What type's of "refresh" stack. For example, lets say someone has the spell "refresh", the skill "auto-refresh", mages' ballad I and II, and "add's refresh effect" from equipment, and chugs a pineapple juice. Which of these effects stack with each other??

Altruist · 03-21-2004, 11:39 AM

Here is a stack list

Equipment refresh
Juice | RDM Refresh
Ballad 1
Ballad 2
Summoner auto-refesh

so the only things that don't stack are Juice/RDM

Gryff · 03-21-2004, 12:22 PM

I've had juice at the same time as a rdms had refresh on me.

It all stacks except you cant have 2 bards playing ballad, that wont stack.

Altruist · 03-21-2004, 02:58 PM

I just tested it, juice and rdm refresh do not stack, rdm refresh does over ride juice.

orange juice 1mp/tick
refresh 3mp/tick
orange juice + refresh 3mp/tick

try it yourself

}PuPPeT^MaSTeR{ · 03-22-2004, 06:25 AM

I don't think Refresh gives 3MP a tic actually. I heard the highest is only 2MP a tic.

Maybe it is stacking.

tomfin10 · 03-22-2004, 11:49 AM

Refresh - stacks with everything except any type of MP recovery Juice (i.e. Orange Juice, Pineapple Juice, Yagudo Drink, etc...).

Auto-Refresh - stacks with everything (because its a passive ability).

Juice - stacks with everything except the spell Refresh.

Ballad - stacks with everything.

Ballad II - stacks with everything.

Deedlit · 03-22-2004, 06:05 PM

tom's right - tested it out tonight myself, though not with ballad II. With ballad and rdm refresh, with auto mp regen, I was getting 5 mp/second - sucked down a pineapple juice, nothing changed.

Valerathon · 03-23-2004, 09:28 AM

What about clothing with auto-refresh? Does it also stack with the job ability auto-refresh? If you had auto refresh from SMN Lv 25+, and then wore a Vermillion Robe, would you get the two Refreshes, or will auto-refresh stack "with everything" except itself?

I heard the clothing and job ability will stack, but it would be worth confirming for this thread.

tomfin10 · 03-23-2004, 11:16 AM

I would assume they do stack, because I see SMNs wearing them... although that could just be for the MP boost.

Deedlit · 03-24-2004, 07:51 PM

I would be more than willing to try it out for you, if you have a Vermillion cloak to loan me =P

Not sure if it stacks, sorry.

AtraposBLM · 03-25-2004, 11:27 PM

it does. lv60 blm / 30 smn named Keroko (has vermillion cloak as well). Partied with him, he was getting 2 mp/tick without any buffs.
With ballad, ballad II, and refresh, he was getting 8 mp/tick, while I was getting 6 mp/tick.

03-21-2004, 08:53 AM	#1
Blubbers Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 6 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	Auto-refresh, refresh, ballad... stackability I had a quick question -- What type's of "refresh" stack. For example, lets say someone has the spell "refresh", the skill "auto-refresh", mages' ballad I and II, and "add's refresh effect" from equipment, and chugs a pineapple juice. Which of these effects stack with each other??

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03-22-2004, 11:49 AM	#6
tomfin10 Member Bronze Ribbon of Service Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Vana'diel Posts: 676 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2x in 2 Posts	Refresh - stacks with everything except any type of MP recovery Juice (i.e. Orange Juice, Pineapple Juice, Yagudo Drink, etc...). Auto-Refresh - stacks with everything (because its a passive ability). Juice - stacks with everything except the spell Refresh. Ballad - stacks with everything. Ballad II - stacks with everything. __________________ "From the void all things are born. To the void all things return." -philosophy of the Walahra

03-22-2004, 06:05 PM	#7
Deedlit Member Bronze Ribbon of Service Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 739 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	tom's right - tested it out tonight myself, though not with ballad II. With ballad and rdm refresh, with auto mp regen, I was getting 5 mp/second - sucked down a pineapple juice, nothing changed. __________________ Legacy of Cid Forums

03-23-2004, 11:16 AM	#9
tomfin10 Member Bronze Ribbon of Service Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Vana'diel Posts: 676 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2x in 2 Posts	I would assume they do stack, because I see SMNs wearing them... although that could just be for the MP boost. __________________ "From the void all things are born. To the void all things return." -philosophy of the Walahra

03-21-2004, 11:39 AM	#2
Altruist Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 308 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	Here is a stack list Equipment refresh Juice \| RDM Refresh Ballad 1 Ballad 2 Summoner auto-refesh so the only things that don't stack are Juice/RDM

03-21-2004, 12:22 PM	#3
Gryff Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 497 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	I've had juice at the same time as a rdms had refresh on me. It all stacks except you cant have 2 bards playing ballad, that wont stack.

03-21-2004, 02:58 PM	#4
Altruist Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 308 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	I just tested it, juice and rdm refresh do not stack, rdm refresh does over ride juice. orange juice 1mp/tick refresh 3mp/tick orange juice + refresh 3mp/tick try it yourself

03-23-2004, 09:28 AM	#8
Valerathon Member Bronze Ribbon of Service Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada; Yantai, PRC Posts: 533 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	What about clothing with auto-refresh? Does it also stack with the job ability auto-refresh? If you had auto refresh from SMN Lv 25+, and then wore a Vermillion Robe, would you get the two Refreshes, or will auto-refresh stack "with everything" except itself? I heard the clothing and job ability will stack, but it would be worth confirming for this thread.

03-24-2004, 07:51 PM	#10
Deedlit Member Bronze Ribbon of Service Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 739 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	I would be more than willing to try it out for you, if you have a Vermillion cloak to loan me =P Not sure if it stacks, sorry. __________________ Legacy of Cid Forums

03-25-2004, 11:27 PM	#11
AtraposBLM Senior Member Brass Ribbon of Service Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,002 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts	it does. lv60 blm / 30 smn named Keroko (has vermillion cloak as well). Partied with him, he was getting 2 mp/tick without any buffs. With ballad, ballad II, and refresh, he was getting 8 mp/tick, while I was getting 6 mp/tick. __________________ For The Horde!! Current Gil total spent on gear: 3,235,000 Current Gil Value of gear: 1,151,000 Laughing when new players complain about prices: Priceless

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