Bye bye AoE-Enspells!

Lanih · 04-09-2009, 01:00 AM

Square ninja'ed AoE-Enspells out of our repertoire in this update.

I personally used to think of them as our 'answer' to Haste, and they really were nice and efficient.

I'm a WHM also, so this kinda hasn't sunk in properly yet, since I'm so excited about all the new toys I got. But I guess it hits me in the face next time I change to SCH. :/

We're still excellent buffers, that doesn't change. But I can't help feeling a little let down by this. I was actually hoping for some new offensive buffs for SCH someday, maybe in the far away future, but someday. This kind of kills that dream. I guess I was expecting too much, as usual. ^^

Is this an outrage, or is it 'just another nerf' to you?

ShepardG · 04-09-2009, 02:17 AM

I don't think it's a nerf, I think it's a bug. Same with PUP, and BST. They were clearly dicking around with the Enspell system, and I think they probably just "crossed some wires" somewhere.

Because if they didn't. And PUP and BST and SCH are supposed to be like this. fail

Seriously, it works the way it is, why change PUP's ranged attack, and BST's ability to charm cactaur's and slimes, along with sch's ability to enspellga it's parties. Their just bugs. An update of this size, i wouldn't be surprised to see multiple maintenances to correct problems, in the next few weeks.

EDIT:
I will use this topic though, to ask some questions, as to the way these updates are integrated into the active game. I know enough programing to say "Hello World" in java and that's about it, so someone with some experience, correct/speculate with me.

I think they were using their test servers to build the update changes, and they were probably working on BST, PUP, SCH, WHM, RDM, SMN, ETC., etc. After a few months of testing, the deadline date, came up, and all they had finished was the RDM/WHM/SMN portion of the update, but they had still messed around with PUP, BST, etc.

We'll as they were covering their tracks to push out the update, as bug free as possible, they didn't completely clean out the area's that didn't get approved to be released.

Just a theroy.

Lanih · 04-09-2009, 02:21 AM

I figured it's like... 'hay let's make RDM's the masters of Enspell again with these new tier2 thingies, and remove the stuff from SCH while we're at it!'. -.- But then again, it would be just like Square to just go 'oops!'.

Yeah I'm really keeping my fingers crossed here.

Feba · 04-09-2009, 02:21 AM

Or SE is considering giving AOE enspells to RDM, and maybe giving SCH their own tool to compensate; they just didn't have time to ship it in this update. Or they wanted to see how this update would work out before making more tweaks.

Lanih · 04-09-2009, 03:11 AM

Since the implementation of the latest version update on Apr. 8, 2009, we have confirmed the following issues. Investigation and recovery work is currently underway.

- Able to store augmented items with NPC that can store certain equipments
* When augmented items are returned, bonus attributes("augments") will be removed from them.

- Amount of damage done by Automaton's range attack has decreased.

- Amount of damage done by certain blue magic has decreased.

- Beastmaster's ability "Charm" is invalid against certain monsters.

- Effect of Scholar's ability "Accession" will not apply on following white magic.
Enfire/Enblizzard/Enaero/Enstone/Enthunder/Enwater

We apologize for any invonvenience they may be causing.

There. Thanks S-E!

ShepardG · 04-09-2009, 03:35 AM

was that an actual message from SE?

Lanih · 04-09-2009, 04:17 AM

Yus, it's on the official page.

Taskmage · 04-09-2009, 05:05 AM

If they were going to gimp something on sch for rdm's sake it should have been phalanxga. >_> <_<

04-09-2009, 01:00 AM	#1
Lanih 白魔道士 Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Finland Posts: 109 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 3 Thanked 7x in 5 Posts My Mood:	Bye bye AoE-Enspells! Square ninja'ed AoE-Enspells out of our repertoire in this update. I personally used to think of them as our 'answer' to Haste, and they really were nice and efficient. I'm a WHM also, so this kinda hasn't sunk in properly yet, since I'm so excited about all the new toys I got. But I guess it hits me in the face next time I change to SCH. :/ We're still excellent buffers, that doesn't change. But I can't help feeling a little let down by this. I was actually hoping for some new offensive buffs for SCH someday, maybe in the far away future, but someday. This kind of kills that dream. I guess I was expecting too much, as usual. ^^ Is this an outrage, or is it 'just another nerf' to you? __________________ The road remains wide open while your dreams are alive. Only fear can block the way. zitah.nu/shisui

04-09-2009, 02:17 AM	#2
ShepardG Is not wearing pants! Join Date: May 2008 Location: Florida ^^ Posts: 440 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 128 Thanked 82x in 49 Posts	Re: Bye bye AoE-Enspells! I don't think it's a nerf, I think it's a bug. Same with PUP, and BST. They were clearly dicking around with the Enspell system, and I think they probably just "crossed some wires" somewhere. Because if they didn't. And PUP and BST and SCH are supposed to be like this. fail Seriously, it works the way it is, why change PUP's ranged attack, and BST's ability to charm cactaur's and slimes, along with sch's ability to enspellga it's parties. Their just bugs. An update of this size, i wouldn't be surprised to see multiple maintenances to correct problems, in the next few weeks. EDIT: I will use this topic though, to ask some questions, as to the way these updates are integrated into the active game. I know enough programing to say "Hello World" in java and that's about it, so someone with some experience, correct/speculate with me. I think they were using their test servers to build the update changes, and they were probably working on BST, PUP, SCH, WHM, RDM, SMN, ETC., etc. After a few months of testing, the deadline date, came up, and all they had finished was the RDM/WHM/SMN portion of the update, but they had still messed around with PUP, BST, etc. We'll as they were covering their tracks to push out the update, as bug free as possible, they didn't completely clean out the area's that didn't get approved to be released. Just a theroy. Last edited by ShepardG; 04-09-2009 at 02:27 AM.

04-09-2009, 02:21 AM	#3
Lanih 白魔道士 Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Finland Posts: 109 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 3 Thanked 7x in 5 Posts My Mood:	Re: Bye bye AoE-Enspells! I figured it's like... 'hay let's make RDM's the masters of Enspell again with these new tier2 thingies, and remove the stuff from SCH while we're at it!'. -.- But then again, it would be just like Square to just go 'oops!'. Yeah I'm really keeping my fingers crossed here. __________________ The road remains wide open while your dreams are alive. Only fear can block the way. zitah.nu/shisui

04-09-2009, 02:21 AM	#4
Feba sweet broken hearted machine Starlight Medal Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Facility A220S-0024, Room 211 Posts: 8,558 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 2,007 Thanked 2,232x in 1,514 Posts	Re: Bye bye AoE-Enspells! Or SE is considering giving AOE enspells to RDM, and maybe giving SCH their own tool to compensate; they just didn't have time to ship it in this update. Or they wanted to see how this update would work out before making more tweaks.

04-09-2009, 03:11 AM	#5
Lanih 白魔道士 Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Finland Posts: 109 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 3 Thanked 7x in 5 Posts My Mood:	Re: Bye bye AoE-Enspells! Since the implementation of the latest version update on Apr. 8, 2009, we have confirmed the following issues. Investigation and recovery work is currently underway. - Able to store augmented items with NPC that can store certain equipments * When augmented items are returned, bonus attributes("augments") will be removed from them. - Amount of damage done by Automaton's range attack has decreased. - Amount of damage done by certain blue magic has decreased. - Beastmaster's ability "Charm" is invalid against certain monsters. - Effect of Scholar's ability "Accession" will not apply on following white magic. Enfire/Enblizzard/Enaero/Enstone/Enthunder/Enwater We apologize for any invonvenience they may be causing. There. Thanks S-E! __________________ The road remains wide open while your dreams are alive. Only fear can block the way. zitah.nu/shisui

04-09-2009, 03:35 AM	#6
ShepardG Is not wearing pants! Join Date: May 2008 Location: Florida ^^ Posts: 440 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 128 Thanked 82x in 49 Posts	Re: Bye bye AoE-Enspells! was that an actual message from SE?

04-09-2009, 04:17 AM	#7
Lanih 白魔道士 Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Finland Posts: 109 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 3 Thanked 7x in 5 Posts My Mood:	Re: Bye bye AoE-Enspells! Yus, it's on the official page. __________________ The road remains wide open while your dreams are alive. Only fear can block the way. zitah.nu/shisui

04-09-2009, 05:05 AM	#8
Taskmage 不完全の花 Administrator Iron Emblem of Service Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 5,457 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 311 Thanked 987x in 495 Posts	Re: Bye bye AoE-Enspells! If they were going to gimp something on sch for rdm's sake it should have been phalanxga. >_> <_< __________________ A trail of feelings, of awe and inspiration, should lead him to that castle: in the future: her arms enclosing him, her scent fills him with excitement, creates a moment so strong he can remember it in the past.

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