Since I find this Helix information suspect... - Final Fantasy XI :: Dreams in Vana'diel :: Community

Omgwtfbbqkitten · 06-23-2008, 03:22 AM

OK, so this guy tells me that Helix spells have a elemental debuff effect. His claim is that if you use a helix spell and then nuke the match element, that spell will do more damage.

I see nothing to support this claim and I've tried it out in various situations on my Scholar, such as campaigns and missions (since you never DoT in manaburn anyway). I've done the matching Helix spell on the matching day with the matching nuke and the nukes seem exactly the same to me.

I tossed a few Thunder IVs at Ghesso and with or without Ionohelix, they didn't seem any different.

Has anyone else heard this rumor? I think its bunk since Helix isn't considered enfeebling, but elemental magic. Plus this guy has been wrong about plenty of other things anyway (like march not having a haste effect), so I didn't put much stock into this claim.

Taskmage · 06-23-2008, 04:22 AM

I would bet he was confusing the effect of storm spells with helixes. Giving sch one damage bonus from storm, another from Ebullience and another from matching with helix seems like a bit much. I'd never heard of that before.

Ziero · 06-23-2008, 05:15 AM

Originally Posted by Omgwtfbbqkitten

Plus this guy has been wrong about plenty of other things anyway (like march not having a haste effect), so I didn't put much stock into this claim.

There's your answer.

Malacite · 06-23-2008, 05:15 AM

It would have been on the wiki by now I'd think.

WishMaster3K · 06-23-2008, 06:36 AM

The only thing the Helix spells seem to do are the INSANE DoT compared to their MP <> Casting ratio.

I think Kaeko did testing and figured out that their almost as damaging as BLM Nukes when comparitively equipped.

Omgwtfbbqkitten · 06-23-2008, 10:56 AM

Kaeko has also successfully soloed Yovras on SCH with Helix spells, which would be awesome for me if my SCH weren't on my Taru (fucking Breeze Gorget quest, I swear).

Mog · 06-23-2008, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by Omgwtfbbqkitten

Kaeko has also successfully soloed Yovras on SCH with Helix spells, which would be awesome for me if my SCH weren't on my Taru (fucking Breeze Gorget quest, I swear).

Black mages have also done this, but it's impossible without gaiters. T.T

Omgwtfbbqkitten · 06-23-2008, 11:05 AM

SCH's hack thier way around that, we have Desert boots to exploit

Mog · 06-23-2008, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by Omgwtfbbqkitten

SCH's hack thier way around that, we have Desert boots to exploit

How long does it take to cast that desert weather ability though? I know Kaeko has gaiters, so I'm not sure you'll even have the time to use it.

Omgwtfbbqkitten · 06-23-2008, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by Mog

How long does it take to cast that desert weather ability though? I know Kaeko has gaiters, so I'm not sure you'll even have the time to use it.

About the same amount of time as Cure.

Malacite · 06-23-2008, 11:48 AM

Celerity {Please Check it}

Omgwtfbbqkitten · 06-23-2008, 12:11 PM

Celerity isn't worth using on Storm Spells, in the time you took to use Celerity and a Storm Spell, you could have just cast the spell anyway and it would be back up in 12 seconds.

WishMaster3K · 06-23-2008, 12:18 PM

What's the duration, 2 and a half minutes, like most buffs?

Malacite · 06-23-2008, 09:16 PM

I agree it would be a waste but my point was if you absolutely needed it cast as fast as humanly possible...

*gives cpt. Obvious his prize for the day*

Omgwtfbbqkitten · 06-23-2008, 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by WishMaster3K

What's the duration, 2 and a half minutes, like most buffs?

The duration effect of storm spells is three minutes, according to the wiki. I'd say that sounds about right based on how much I spam the stuff to activate my desert boots or use it to boost nukes.

Originally Posted by Malacite

*gives cpt. Obvious his prize for the day*

Its not very humble to award yourself.