Hauby still required for SAM after 2-Handed update? - Final Fantasy XI :: Dreams in Vana'diel :: Community

Dymlos · 10-07-2007, 08:40 PM

Okay guys I'm wondering, after the 2-handed update, is a Hauby still really that needed for a SAM for the +10ACC since 1 Dex = 1 ACC? Right now I'm currently Lv63 SAM and I'm trying to save up for my Hachiman gear. This is my current build that I have:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/profile.xml?123928

I don't have my Chiv. chain yet because I don't have enough AP to buy it and I'm not spending 180k on it when I can get it for free. Should I still get the Hauby down the line when I can easily afford it, or should I stop leveling, farm like mad and go buy it? I was planning to swap out my Sipahi armor for the Hachiman Domaru since that has more STR and Store TP with it as well. When I hit Lv 72, I plan to get my Shinsoku

Malacite · 10-07-2007, 11:05 PM

Get the haub. It was good before, now it's absolutely sick. Why would you not want 5 STR 5 DEX 15 attack and 15 accuracy? My friend swears by Hachiman being better for WS, and you *could* use it to TP in with the Store TP... but I have to say, get the Haub for sure. It's a very solid body armor.

Shinsoku's ok. I prefer Soboro personally, and I'm working on getting Hagun.

Kirsteena · 10-08-2007, 12:07 AM

For my money, the hauby is still the best body piece for sam by a long chalk.

Dymlos · 10-18-2007, 10:17 AM

Well I went and bought my Hauby, got it for 420k. I'm down to 30k though, now I gotta start savin up again for Shinsoku, luckily that's only 200k. >>

Ryoii/Nonomii · 10-18-2007, 11:20 AM

I wouldn't worry about getting a Shinsoku over an Onimaru if you cannot afford it. There really isn't that much difference. Eventually you will want to save for a Hagun anyway.

Omni · 10-18-2007, 11:29 AM

Hagun is the way to go.

Dymlos · 10-18-2007, 12:00 PM

Even though Shinosku has the +5 STR bonus for WS damage?

LyonheartLakshmi · 10-18-2007, 12:42 PM

Don't think of that +15 acc (5 from DEX) as extra accuracy you don't need. Think of it as acc to help get you eating meat more comfortably, instead of relying on sushi.

Armando · 10-18-2007, 01:07 PM

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Even though Shinosku has the +5 STR bonus for WS damage?

If it's WS damage you're after then 5 STR is garbage next to what an extra 100 TP will do for Yuki/Gekko/Kasha.

Eji Kazuma · 10-18-2007, 01:08 PM

Also... it should be noted Shinsoku < Onimaru < Hagun.

Samurai swords are very sneaky at the end of the game, Shinsoku has the out right stats, but Onimaru has higher attack and has a latent that adds +5 Acc and +16 Attk when you have less the 100% TP.

Even better then that though is the Hagun which has the ever popular TP Bonus effect. Rather then adding TP to your strikes, or draining TP like shinsoku, Hagun adds 100% TP to your WEAPONSKILL.

Meaning, a WS performed at 100% TP is the same as 200% TP, and so on... Making Hagun the clear winner... "Army Breaker" 'Yes Please'

Malacite · 10-18-2007, 02:53 PM

I'm not so sure about that anymore. Hagun's lost some of it's edge.

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Tachi:_Yukikaze

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Properties

* Element: None

* Skillchain properties: Induration/Detonation

* Modifiers: STR:75%

* Damage Multipliers by TP:

100%TP 200%TP 300%TP
1.75 2.00 2.50

the gap from 100 to 200 TP is no longer as big. Now, Hagun will still rock if you have 200, but comparing 100 to 200 now, Hagun isn't as clear cut as it used to be. Shinsoku has both higher base damage (+5) and that 5 STR bonus.

Eji Kazuma · 10-18-2007, 04:09 PM

Hrmm... I didn't realize that the difference in DMG was so small with great katana... given that TP is their bread and butter, that really seems strange...

However, the only thing I'd ask about is what modifier the actual TP effects on DMG... since all Weapon skills deal greater DMG modifiers when you have higher TP... but Samurai Weapons skills all have the "Damage Varries with TP" on them... Granted, the extra 5 Attack and extra 5 STR of Shinsoku is still nice, I'd probably take Onimaru over Shinsoku... and Hagun still over the other two.

Dymlos · 10-18-2007, 04:36 PM

I still would love to get a Hagun, not sure how I'm going to get it. I'll probably get an Onimaru and use that for now until I can afford a Hagun. If I had a Soboro then I would be fine right now. But for the moment, busy camping OKote NM. >.>

Malacite · 10-18-2007, 07:24 PM

I posted the new modifiers above for yourselves to see. Hagun is still better for 200 TP, but at 100 TP not so much anymore. I heard on some servers people are actually ditching it in favor of Shinsoku or Onimaru and that it's as low as 600k. It's still about 1 mil on Seraph though.

Someone's going to have to parse these weapons. Before the update, Hagun was the king without question (.5 difference in TP modifier) but now it's only .25

Armando · 10-19-2007, 03:18 AM

I believe Hagun would still win. A change from 1.75 to 2.0 in the multiplier is still a 14% increase in WS damage while Shinsoku only does about 7% more damage over time than Hagun on normal hits alone. WSs already made up a big part of a SAM's total damage (what with being able to WS after just 5 hits,) and now the modifiers are even higher so in relation to how things were pre-patch, WS damage makes up an even bigger portion of a SAM's damage. So yeah, I would still place my bets on Hagun.

But yeah, Onimaru beats Shinsoku for sure, no parsing needed there. Onimaru vs Hagun is a tough call though.