[raidenn]

Once in awhile Ive been asked to sub Thf and perform either TA or SATA from behind the tank. Of course when you end up in a party where the other guy with Provoke does not comply, you'll be forced to TA + WS behind the tank in the beginning to make the hate stick. I dont see a lot of damage from it though but does the hate really add up on the tank? The reason why is that I see the mob's attention going elsewhere sometimes.

[Xalu]

yeah, it does.

TA + any attack = added hate to whoever you're behind.

I believe.

[neighbortaru]

it does, unless you screw it up or miss. TA has a very small angle of where you can be unlike SA.

[Armando]

Remember that TA simply transfers that hit's hate. If your WS does weak damage, you won't transfer much hate to the tank.

[seq]

i believe when using THF as support job TA will only transfer hate and won't do any additional DMG.
try TA+WS mid-fight or after the first provoke by 15 or more seconds and you'll notice a difference with hate (unless you have Enmity down equipment).

[luisa]

well i dont knowwhat u have been using but doing t.a at lvl 38 i was doing any where from 350-460 hit dmg, now that im at 41 im doing 35o avg. but since i have new gear and havent tryed it out dont know how much i would do.

[luisa]

350*

[Aeolus]

LOL you used trick attack (Lv30 Ability) at lv38 Sam/thf and did 350-460..hax I tells ya. You must have sata'd (presuming your a thief who just cant read the topic title, then look at the forum its in and put 2 and 2 together.) cause I aint never seen/done a 350-460 TA on an IT exp mob and Ive ta'd alot, mithra too.

[tdh]

Originally Posted by seq

i believe when using THF as support job TA will only transfer hate and won't do any additional DMG.

This is correct. There are no modifiers for Sneak Attack or Trick Attack when they are from your sub.

Sneak Attack
Trick Attack

Sneak Attack has a DEX modifier if you're main job is THF, and Trick Attack has an AGI modifier if you're main job is THF. If you sub THF, Sneak Attack gives you a critical hit, and Trick Attack only passes the hate from the next attack onto the person you're standing behind. If you are only doing a TA+WS you CAN miss.

What I would like to test, or see somebody test, would be Overwhelm + TA + WS damage. Would Overwhelm help make up for the lose of SA? Or would it just be better to sub WAR for Berserk and the lot.

[luisa]

trick attack is lvl 15 u dufus lvl 30 is sata

[luisa]

and one more thing as a 47 sam/thf i do around 340-522 trick attack depending on my tp, and just in case u think im joking u should try it, with the gear i have and the food i use, empress, bounding boots, okote, lvl 45 body armor that gives dex+. 2 str rings with str +3, 2 attack + earrings, the necklace that gives dex n str, leg amor lvl 44 that gives dex, lvl 44 gkt, and ricedumplins, some of the name of the gear i use i dont know the names so i just say what they do, also i use the sword belt that gives att+10, n normally i dont do t.a until about 230+ and i use tachi enpi, any more q, just ask

[Aeolus]

Originally Posted by luisa

trick attack is lvl 15 u dufus lvl 30 is sata

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Seriously, why make things worse by posting that when tbh already posted links to trick attack showing its lv30.

With your knowledge of the game and the quality of your equips I wouldnt be surprised if you buy gil and support the RMT. Either that or your entire account. Thanks for the insult.

[luisa]

im going to say this one more time, s.a is a lvl 15 thf abil, at lvl 30 u get sneak attack, and dont argue with me cuz i m a lvl 36 thf and i have been using sub thf on alot of jobs, seriously logg inn to ff11 and ask a high lvl thf on what lvl u get t.a, i dont get to use sata til im a lvl 60 if im using thf sub, so do me afavor go to a thf forum n found out what lvl is t.a and ull c that im rite

[luisa]

oops sneak attack is lvl 30 im talking about t.a

[Aeolus]

The hole is now half way through the earth, I doubt you will get out of it.