09-25-2006, 10:16 AM | #1 (permalink) | | Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 859 Style: Light - Version 4 Thanks: 11 Thanked 21x in 15 Posts Gil: 24,206 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 24,206 Donate | Trick attack + Ws Once in awhile Ive been asked to sub Thf and perform either TA or SATA from behind the tank. Of course when you end up in a party where the other guy with Provoke does not comply, you'll be forced to TA + WS behind the tank in the beginning to make the hate stick. I dont see a lot of damage from it though but does the hate really add up on the tank? The reason why is that I see the mob's attention going elsewhere sometimes. | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 09-25-2006, 10:24 AM | #2 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 69 Style: Dark - Version 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 1,616 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 1,616 Donate | Re: Trick attack + Ws yeah, it does.
TA + any attack = added hate to whoever you're behind.
I believe. Ramuh Server Linkshell=TDC,BlueRogues,BloodKnights. Samurai all the way. | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 09-25-2006, 10:33 AM | #3 (permalink) | | anti-spam Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 5,535 Style: Dark - Version 5 My Mood: Thanks: 22 Thanked 64x in 59 Posts Gil: 51,230 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 51,230 Donate | Re: Trick attack + Ws it does, unless you screw it up or miss. TA has a very small angle of where you can be unlike SA. | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 09-25-2006, 10:47 AM | #4 (permalink) | | Wants your picture FFXIWiki Team Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 3,219 Style: Light - Version 6 My Mood: Thanks: 287 Thanked 837x in 444 Posts Gil: 62,527 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 62,527 Donate | Re: Trick attack + Ws Remember that TA simply transfers that hit's hate. If your WS does weak damage, you won't transfer much hate to the tank. | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 10-18-2006, 07:05 PM | #5 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 146 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 1,342 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 1,342 Donate | Re: Trick attack + Ws i believe when using THF as support job TA will only transfer hate and won't do any additional DMG.
try TA+WS mid-fight or after the first provoke by 15 or more seconds and you'll notice a difference with hate (unless you have Enmity down equipment).
Dragoon75 | Beastmaster75 | Thief69 | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 02-02-2007, 06:44 PM | #6 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 64 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 1,307 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 1,307 Donate | Re: Trick attack + Ws well i dont knowwhat u have been using but doing t.a at lvl 38 i was doing any where from 350-460 hit dmg, now that im at 41 im doing 35o avg. but since i have new gear and havent tryed it out dont know how much i would do. | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 02-03-2007, 07:39 AM | #8 (permalink) | | Ares's Cuirass Keeper of Knowledge Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,990 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 8 Thanked 31x in 25 Posts Gil: 2,287 Bank: 3,166 Total Gil: 5,453 Donate | Re: Trick attack + Ws LOL you used trick attack (Lv30 Ability) at lv38 Sam/thf and did 350-460..hax I tells ya. You must have sata'd (presuming your a thief who just cant read the topic title, then look at the forum its in and put 2 and 2 together.) cause I aint never seen/done a 350-460 TA on an IT exp mob and Ive ta'd alot, mithra too. 75 Mnk Sam | 70 Drk | 40 Blm | 37 Nin Rng Thf War
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ZM:Complete CoP:Complete ToAU:27 | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 02-03-2007, 09:26 AM | #9 (permalink) | | Veteran Member Brain of Knowledge Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 1,644 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 143 Thanked 37x in 30 Posts Gil: 3,210 Bank: 319 Total Gil: 3,530 Donate | Re: Trick attack + Ws Originally Posted by seq | | i believe when using THF as support job TA will only transfer hate and won't do any additional DMG. | This is correct. There are no modifiers for Sneak Attack or Trick Attack when they are from your sub. Sneak Attack Trick Attack
Sneak Attack has a DEX modifier if you're main job is THF, and Trick Attack has an AGI modifier if you're main job is THF. If you sub THF, Sneak Attack gives you a critical hit, and Trick Attack only passes the hate from the next attack onto the person you're standing behind. If you are only doing a TA+WS you CAN miss.
What I would like to test, or see somebody test, would be Overwhelm + TA + WS damage. Would Overwhelm help make up for the lose of SA? Or would it just be better to sub WAR for Berserk and the lot.  [font="Comic Sans MS"]Odude
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Odude 6 - Maat 1 The Taco Spot | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 02-06-2007, 04:01 PM | #10 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 64 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 1,307 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 1,307 Donate | Re: Trick attack + Ws trick attack is lvl 15 u dufus lvl 30 is sata | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 02-06-2007, 04:12 PM | #11 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 64 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 1,307 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 1,307 Donate | Re: Trick attack + Ws and one more thing as a 47 sam/thf i do around 340-522 trick attack depending on my tp, and just in case u think im joking u should try it, with the gear i have and the food i use, empress, bounding boots, okote, lvl 45 body armor that gives dex+. 2 str rings with str +3, 2 attack + earrings, the necklace that gives dex n str, leg amor lvl 44 that gives dex, lvl 44 gkt, and ricedumplins, some of the name of the gear i use i dont know the names so i just say what they do, also i use the sword belt that gives att+10, n normally i dont do t.a until about 230+ and i use tachi enpi, any more q, just ask | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 02-06-2007, 04:17 PM | #12 (permalink) | | Ares's Cuirass Keeper of Knowledge Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,990 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 8 Thanked 31x in 25 Posts Gil: 2,287 Bank: 3,166 Total Gil: 5,453 Donate | Re: Trick attack + Ws Originally Posted by luisa | | trick attack is lvl 15 u dufus lvl 30 is sata | ...
Seriously, why make things worse by posting that when tbh already posted links to trick attack showing its lv30.
With your knowledge of the game and the quality of your equips I wouldnt be surprised if you buy gil and support the RMT. Either that or your entire account. Thanks for the insult. 75 Mnk Sam | 70 Drk | 40 Blm | 37 Nin Rng Thf War
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ZM:Complete CoP:Complete ToAU:27 | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 02-06-2007, 04:25 PM | #13 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 64 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 1,307 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 1,307 Donate | Re: Trick attack + Ws im going to say this one more time, s.a is a lvl 15 thf abil, at lvl 30 u get sneak attack, and dont argue with me cuz i m a lvl 36 thf and i have been using sub thf on alot of jobs, seriously logg inn to ff11 and ask a high lvl thf on what lvl u get t.a, i dont get to use sata til im a lvl 60 if im using thf sub, so do me afavor go to a thf forum n found out what lvl is t.a and ull c that im rite | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 02-06-2007, 04:26 PM | #14 (permalink) | | Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 64 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0x in 0 Posts Gil: 1,307 Bank: 0 Total Gil: 1,307 Donate | Re: Trick attack + Ws oops sneak attack is lvl 30 im talking about t.a | | ::Quote Selected:: | | 02-06-2007, 04:27 PM | #15 (permalink) | | Ares's Cuirass Keeper of Knowledge Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,990 Style: Light - Version 6 Thanks: 8 Thanked 31x in 25 Posts Gil: 2,287 Bank: 3,166 Total Gil: 5,453 Donate | Re: Trick attack + Ws The hole is now half way through the earth, I doubt you will get out of it. 75 Mnk Sam | 70 Drk | 40 Blm | 37 Nin Rng Thf War
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