SAM- parrying tank???!!! - Final Fantasy XI :: Dreams in Vana'diel :: Community

zerochaos · 06-02-2006, 10:51 PM

With parrying maxed, can sam tank successfully??

WishMaster3K · 06-02-2006, 11:11 PM

Hmm, unlikely. But, anything is possible.

However, at the early levels, even Dual Wars have successfully tanked by being able to trade off damage and such. After Garliage though, I wouldn't recommend it unless you had top of the line HQ+2 gear and maxed merits from another job.

So maybe in an extreme case of dedication, yes.

Nodachi · 06-03-2006, 12:47 AM

While having parrying capped on SAM is great, it won't make you a reliable tank. It just doesn't proc. enough :/ Capped parrying does wonders for solo play though (since you usually don't solo VTs or higher.

LadyPeorth · 06-03-2006, 01:12 AM

SAM might be able to...but you'd hafta devote all your gear to tanking, and even then tanking with a two handed weapon is kinda iffy at times.

zerochaos · 06-04-2006, 08:00 AM

would it be possible, seeing as SE intended me too... if i had parrying meritted and tanking equip for samurai such as the gavial armor- agi+ dex+ vit+ physical dmg- and magic dmg-.. that i could tank? Im just not sure.. if SE made us for this.. why cant we if we truely tried? im not arguing with anyones posts please dont take this the wrong way, i just want to know your guys inputs and see what you think.. maybe.. just maybe.. i will be the one to turn everyones heads as one of the first sam tanks..??? and to change everyones minds on how they think of the samurai? SC is awesome yes.. but what i did WS to keep hate?! i pull hate with meikyo shisui off of invincible.. i mean come on? maybe we are just missing somthing?? please let me know what you think ^_^

Credos · 06-04-2006, 08:26 AM

My parry is currently at 246 on my NIN, about 23 levels away from cap. I also play Samurai, and I did even try to tank in a PT in the 60's because of the piss poor PLD who was eventually kicked from the PT.

I did decent, my gear included some of the following:

Arhat Gi (Provoke), Myochin Domaru (For tanking), Haubegeon (WS).
Jelly Ring, Vigor Ring
Pretty much all of the Myochin armor, and I used Rice Balls for the added defense.
Drone Earrings to boost Parry

Did it work? Yeah.. as much as a one legged man in an ass kicking contest worked. I'd say that the biggest issue was initially establishing hate on the mob. But after 2-3 provokes and a WS (Albeit not great), I had hate to where it was comfortable.

I didn't parry nearly as much as I should have having capped parry, but it was decent. Sadly, parry isn't nearly as strong as it could be. But it is frutrating to be one of, if the only jobs with A parrying and it be useless.

UnnamedGalka · 06-04-2006, 08:32 AM

No, simply because parry doesn't have near the proc rate to be an effective tanking tool by itself.

The reason why a job like NIN makes such a great tank is the fact that almost all single-target attacks, and even some AOE attacks cannot bypass Utsusemi. Any decent NIN can constantly keep Utsusemi up, making them virtually invulnerable. A SAM's parry skill does not have this kind of dependability - not even close. It's just an innate ability that only very occasionally fires off, even if it's capped.

And call me a naysayer, but if there was some way that a SAM could effectively tank, it would've already been discovered.

Credos · 06-04-2006, 08:33 AM

Not to mention that SE said it themselves that SAM was never intended to be a tank.

Feba · 06-04-2006, 09:07 AM

Correct.

At fan fest, someone asked if they'd increase the tanking capabilities of Samurai. The Devs looked honestly confused, then replied, "SAM was never meant to be a tanking class. We will increase the attacking capabilities of jobs such as Samurai, and the Defensive capabilities of jobs such as PLD."

zerochaos · 06-04-2006, 03:59 PM

Hmmmm... ok thankyou ^_^

Itatchi · 06-10-2006, 09:16 PM

Yes, unforunately sam was originally intended as a tank, and nin as DD. Kinda got swapped.. which I don't mind, I prefer being DD. If very commited, I doubt it wouldn't be impossible with all the right gear.

Oh and Rico!

I've been playing Xenogears again lately. I'm at the point where they're about to ~Purge~ Kislev.

Feba · 06-10-2006, 09:37 PM

Quote:

Yes, unforunately sam was originally intended as a tank, and nin as DD.

While I won't comment on your NIN comment,

SAM WAS NEVER DESIGNED AS A TANK.

The Square-Enix Development team said this at Fan Fest, and you can't dispute that, I was less than 20 ft. from when when they said it.

It should be a well known fact now, since it has been posted in numerous locations. Anyone who says SE intended for SAM to tank, or designed SAM as a tank is WRONG.

Itatchi · 06-10-2006, 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by Feba

While I won't comment on your NIN comment,

SAM WAS NEVER DESIGNED AS A TANK.

The Square-Enix Development team said this at Fan Fest, and you can't dispute that, I was less than 20 ft. from when when they said it.

It should be a well known fact now, since it has been posted in numerous locations. Anyone who says SE intended for SAM to tank, or designed SAM as a tank is WRONG.

O rly?

Feba · 06-10-2006, 09:54 PM

Ya Rly

Stromgarde · 06-10-2006, 09:58 PM

Originally Posted by Itatchi

Yes, unforunately sam was originally intended as a tank, and nin as DD. Kinda got swapped.. which I don't mind, I prefer being DD. If very commited, I doubt it wouldn't be impossible with all the right gear.

Oh and Rico!

I've been playing Xenogears again lately. I'm at the point where they're about to ~Purge~ Kislev.

Wait, you mean that's not Blanka?