16 magic merits

Richie · 05-30-2007, 08:53 AM

So now that we can put 16 merits into magic skill what else will you be meriting?
I'm going with 8 enfeebling, 8 dark magic myself.

Raydeus · 05-30-2007, 09:09 AM

I think I'm going for full enhancing, some enf, and some dark.

Taskmage · 05-30-2007, 09:44 AM

Now that I've learned how to kite, I've developed a new appreciation for unresisted Binds. That in addition to that thread on alla a while back showing that enfeebling magic skill actually does have an effect on debuff potency as well as accuracy make full merits in enfeebling a pretty easy choice.

I already have Duelist's Gloves, so provided I can get my hands on a Merciful Cape I shouldn't have too hard of a time hitting my target of 300 for enhancing skill without meriting it, that number being the last attainable breakpoint for Phalanx II. Squeezing another point out of Phalanx I and Enspell would be kindof nice, but I rarely rely on those spells in tense situations so I don't feel it's really worth the effort.

My target for dark magic skill is 211, since that's the last attainable skill level that Bio II sees any benefit. Same comment for Drain and Aspir accuracy as for Enspell and Phalanx: nice but not really a big deal. Again, that number is pretty easy to obtain through equipment alone, though I might consider putting one merit in until I get a Merciful Cape so I can break that barrier with just Dark Torque + Dark Earring. The only reason I might ever consider meriting dark magic further would be to push Bio III into the hypothetical 9dmg/tick bracket.

Elemental magic skill is a little tempting. I do get resisted a lot more than I'd like by IT+ mobs, but I figure anything hard that I solo is going to be determined more by endurance than damage output and anything I fight in a group isn't going to go down noticably faster because of more accurate rdm nukage.

So, not seeing that much benefit from meriting those other three skills in the context of the equipment I have access to, I think I'll hold off on my remaining magic skill merits for blu or smn, since those skills seem to provide more tangible benefits to their respective jobs.

Mhurron · 05-30-2007, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Richie

So now that we can put 16 merits into magic skill what else will you be meriting?

HP/MP like I had originally planned.

Raydeus · 05-30-2007, 10:01 AM

Go for full MP!

In my case I find myself using Barspells, Enspells, Phalanx, Stoneskin (and Drain/Aspir/Stun) waaay more often than I get my Enfs resisted.

But then again I haven't looked on numbers regarding Enf. skill vs Benefit; so I dunno if those 8-16 skill points will make much of a difference (specially once I get Duelist's Chapeau).

If I don't go crazy and dump all my merits on Dark instead 50/50 with Enf. skill that is.

Mhurron · 05-30-2007, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Raydeus

Go for full MP!

Geared up and going /blm I have 50MP less then I do HP, so I was going to bring that up even and then boost them together for easy no special gear converts.

BurningPanther · 05-30-2007, 10:13 AM

I've already got full Enfeebling, now it's a coin toss to see if I go for full Enhancing or Elemental...

Cotners · 05-30-2007, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Taskmage

My target for dark magic skill is 211, since that's the last attainable skill level that Bio II sees any benefit.

Bio II can be pushed up to 8dmg/tic with 290+ dark magic skill.

Question: Is the max that we can merit one magic type going to remain at 8 or can we do something like Elem. lvl 12, Enfeeb. lvl 4?

Taskmage · 05-30-2007, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Cotners

Bio II can be pushed up to 8dmg/tic with 290+ dark magic skill.

Yeah, but that number is only achievable for blms and drks. A rdm with all possible +dark skill gear and full merits has 268 max, including triggered Diabolos' Ring and Inferno Sabots +1. So even on darksday new moon, we can't break out of the 211-268 skill 6dmg/tick tier.

-- edit --

Sorry, was only counting 6 dark magic skill merits. The actual max number is 272 max for a rdm. So on one day per Vana'diel month we can break into the 7dmg/tick bracket. >.>

LyonheartLakshmi · 05-30-2007, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Cotners

Question: Is the max that we can merit one magic type going to remain at 8 or can we do something like Elem. lvl 12, Enfeeb. lvl 4?

The official announcement states:

Quote:

"Magic Skills" maximum total ability increases:
8 > 16

*The maximum limit for each of the abilities within these categories will remain unchanged.

So it sounds like you'll still only be able to pump Elemental skill up by 8 upgrades.

Cotners · 05-30-2007, 11:23 AM

boohoo. Still, Elem skill +16 and Enfeeb skill +16 is gonna rock... That'll put my enfeebling at 276! Not bad for a blm.

Raydeus · 05-30-2007, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mhurron

Geared up and going /blm I have 50MP less then I do HP, so I was going to bring that up even and then boost them together for easy no special gear converts.

Oh true you are a taru, for some reason I thought you were elvaan.

Mhurron · 05-30-2007, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Raydeus

Oh true you are a taru, for some reason I thought you were elvaan.

Eww, god no.

IfritnoItazura · 05-30-2007, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Cotners

boohoo. Still, Elem skill +16 and Enfeeb skill +16 is gonna rock...

I don't understand; I thought the limit is 8 per magic skill, and will remain at 8?

Raydeus · 05-30-2007, 01:36 PM

Nah, up to 8 merit levels, or +16 skill.

05-30-2007, 08:53 AM	#1
Richie Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 130 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 5 Thanked 20x in 8 Posts	16 magic merits So now that we can put 16 merits into magic skill what else will you be meriting? I'm going with 8 enfeebling, 8 dark magic myself.

05-30-2007, 09:09 AM	#2
Raydeus Altanaの戦士 Golden Star Join Date: May 2006 Location: Fenrir Server Posts: 4,100 Style: Light Theme V6 Thanks: 228 Thanked 501x in 323 Posts	Re: 16 magic merits I think I'm going for full enhancing, some enf, and some dark. __________________ Sanctuary of Zi'tah! "In this world, the one who has the most fun is the winner!" C.B. Prishe's Knight since 2004. その目だれの目。

05-30-2007, 09:44 AM	#3
Taskmage The Hare Administrator Steelknight Emblem Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 5,560 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 329 Thanked 1,047x in 522 Posts	Re: 16 magic merits Now that I've learned how to kite, I've developed a new appreciation for unresisted Binds. That in addition to that thread on alla a while back showing that enfeebling magic skill actually does have an effect on debuff potency as well as accuracy make full merits in enfeebling a pretty easy choice. I already have Duelist's Gloves, so provided I can get my hands on a Merciful Cape I shouldn't have too hard of a time hitting my target of 300 for enhancing skill without meriting it, that number being the last attainable breakpoint for Phalanx II. Squeezing another point out of Phalanx I and Enspell would be kindof nice, but I rarely rely on those spells in tense situations so I don't feel it's really worth the effort. My target for dark magic skill is 211, since that's the last attainable skill level that Bio II sees any benefit. Same comment for Drain and Aspir accuracy as for Enspell and Phalanx: nice but not really a big deal. Again, that number is pretty easy to obtain through equipment alone, though I might consider putting one merit in until I get a Merciful Cape so I can break that barrier with just Dark Torque + Dark Earring. The only reason I might ever consider meriting dark magic further would be to push Bio III into the hypothetical 9dmg/tick bracket. Elemental magic skill is a little tempting. I do get resisted a lot more than I'd like by IT+ mobs, but I figure anything hard that I solo is going to be determined more by endurance than damage output and anything I fight in a group isn't going to go down noticably faster because of more accurate rdm nukage. So, not seeing that much benefit from meriting those other three skills in the context of the equipment I have access to, I think I'll hold off on my remaining magic skill merits for blu or smn, since those skills seem to provide more tangible benefits to their respective jobs. __________________ A trail of feelings, of awe and inspiration, should lead him to that castle: in the future: her arms enclosing him, her scent fills him with excitement, creates a moment so strong he can remember it in the past.

05-30-2007, 10:01 AM	#5
Raydeus Altanaの戦士 Golden Star Join Date: May 2006 Location: Fenrir Server Posts: 4,100 Style: Light Theme V6 Thanks: 228 Thanked 501x in 323 Posts	Re: 16 magic merits Go for full MP! In my case I find myself using Barspells, Enspells, Phalanx, Stoneskin (and Drain/Aspir/Stun) waaay more often than I get my Enfs resisted. But then again I haven't looked on numbers regarding Enf. skill vs Benefit; so I dunno if those 8-16 skill points will make much of a difference (specially once I get Duelist's Chapeau). If I don't go crazy and dump all my merits on Dark instead 50/50 with Enf. skill that is. __________________ Sanctuary of Zi'tah! "In this world, the one who has the most fun is the winner!" C.B. Prishe's Knight since 2004. その目だれの目。

05-30-2007, 10:13 AM	#7
BurningPanther The Strongest Pokemon of All! Brass Ribbon of Service Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cerulean Cave Posts: 1,053 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 1,288 Thanked 281x in 169 Posts	Re: 16 magic merits I've already got full Enfeebling, now it's a coin toss to see if I go for full Enhancing or Elemental... __________________ "I long to demonstrate my power to the world!" My Brute is incredibly stupid, but he's got balls of granite.

05-30-2007, 11:23 AM	#11
Cotners No Comment Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 371 Style: Light Theme V7 Thanks: 5 Thanked 44x in 30 Posts	Re: 16 magic merits boohoo. Still, Elem skill +16 and Enfeeb skill +16 is gonna rock... That'll put my enfeebling at 276! Not bad for a blm. __________________

05-30-2007, 01:36 PM	#15
Raydeus Altanaの戦士 Golden Star Join Date: May 2006 Location: Fenrir Server Posts: 4,100 Style: Light Theme V6 Thanks: 228 Thanked 501x in 323 Posts	Re: 16 magic merits Nah, up to 8 merit levels, or +16 skill. __________________ Sanctuary of Zi'tah! "In this world, the one who has the most fun is the winner!" C.B. Prishe's Knight since 2004. その目だれの目。

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