[Jei]

there are definitely some extreme case anticans for example. Bard is singing to the tanks, white is 2 steps in front of me, and both of them got silenced! now, what can a Rdm/blm do in that situation run to the whm and trade an echo drop? hehe

[Synbios]

Originally posted by Jei
there are definitely some extreme case anticans for example. Bard is singing to the tanks, white is 2 steps in front of me, and both of them got silenced! now, what can a Rdm/blm do in that situation run to the whm and trade an echo drop? hehe

Run to the group behind and asked for silena. I did that yesterday when I got silenced by another group's Antican yesterday. >.>

[Fanatic]

hmm looks like i should level whm then so i can switch between blm and whm for subs.

[wizzy]

hmm looks like i should level whm then so i can switch between blm and whm for subs.





That's what I am going to do,But I am also going to swicth between summoner, and Bard too.

[pdac]

The benefit of summoner so far as a sub for me has been less than stellar, but I also have not gotten to 50/25 for the auto-refresh. However, I still use it when I'm needed as a bottomless-mp-pit. When using summoner as a sub, even without divine seal, I end up with well past the needed amount of mp to keep chaining, even after 2 cure III's, a regen and refresh ^^v

Despite the niceties of summoner though, I'm now levelling black mage to 30, to cover my advance to level 60 rdm. White mage will follow as well, somewhat soon here. I've found the need for more nuking capability to be higher, than the buffs that whm provides (I've gotten the hang of working with the blm on magic bursts, usually 2 burst each on every WS). One question I have is whether this will still be the case past level 50? I've been managing my mp well, especially now with refresh, and water II mb's are doing well for us as a group...will I still be MB'ing past 50?

Thanks for the great list of stats, its now part of my job notes library

[Oro]

Its already been said, but I seriously believe the subchoice boils down to the rest of the PT config and where you will be going. For example, if you was leveling off the bones in gustav on something like lv66, whm sub would be good, since bones like to really screw the status of the melee's, cut the whm or other mages some slack and give them a hand, better yet, assigning a individual melee to look after is a good choice. This isn't always the case but it is nice. Only times I have subbed BLM against bones is when there is no BLM present with their Godly MB damage, I have to substitute with mediocre MB

But than on the other hand, fighting stuff like the Weapons and Golems in Ro'Moave (or Tulia? I have access but havent leveled there yet lol) I found whm sub the most useless thing, choice sub would be blm or smn. For blm, the conserve mp is a blessing for your offensive oriented play on such enemies, plus a decent aspir once in a while. for smn sub, if there is no smn or a whm subbing smn its a good call, since the ranged attacks that cause stun are negated with ease using garuda's arial armour

For those that want to raise all the subs your definitly on the right track for efficientcy. Most of you have said it, there is no real better sub, but some subs are just plain suited for particular enemies, the same way certain melee's favour a enemy type (mnk=bones, drg/rng=flying type blah blah)

/selfslap since im only raising smn now :spin:

[Kilgraw]

I personally plan on using WHM (20) till RDM is at 40. That way when I'm leveling BLM, WHM will always be ready... I might level WHM higher for those "incase of" situations, we'll see.

[Gman]

Originally posted by Kilgraw
I personally plan on using WHM (20) till RDM is at 40. That way when I'm leveling BLM, WHM will always be ready... I might level WHM higher for those "incase of" situations, we'll see.

That's what I was doing too, but I found it very time consuming trying to level 3 jobs, so I just took WHM to 10, the will take BLM to 20, then go back to RDM until at least 41, then go back to BLM again. It will be a pain, but I'll deal with it. Almost got 3 levels with my BLM at Shakrami last night, so I'm close to 15... I hit Valkurm tonight, and hopefully I'll get a couple more levels.

Then I get RDM to 25 and hunt Ghelsba and Giddeus keys *cries* I'm terrified of going to Kazahm... I've heard nothing but bad things, other than the exp from onions.

[twylyght]

since im elvaan i figured id sub blm because it gives the best int and mp boosts (dont have smn...yet). that way both my black enfeebles and my white enfeebles should both be good

[Deldrach]

Twylyght makes a very good point. Your RDM's race probably should be considered a bit as well when choosing which subjob to go with, if all things are equal. For a Galkan or Elvaan especially, the extra bit of mp and INT along with conserve mp would really come in handy in most situations. Tarus, on the other hand, might be more inclined to sub WHM to help balance out their MND as well as HP for an ideal convert ratio. All in all this is an excellent chart that lays out the advantages and disadvantages of each subjob in a fact based format.

[yuukei]

There's a good discussion about this here:

http://ffxionline.com/forums/showthr...4&pagenumber=1

Were I made some comments along the lines of what is stated in this topic.

[Jinxie]

I think that choosing betweeen WHM and BLM as a sub really depends on how you want to play the game.

[Ashi]

Makes me more secure in my base combo.

Thank ye very large, matey.

[Thegod]

I think blk mage is the better sub from 1-30, but from 30+ i would prefer wht subbed.

I leveled red and wht just so i could have multiple subs for my BLM main (lvl 55) red and wht at 37.

I find that at my level i'm inviting red mage's for one reason and one reason alone, to help the pally keep hate, basically to refresh the pally.

Red mages have a million uses in a party, but that one is key to a BLM like me who is overloaded with INT.

?wht helps with downtime alot more then /blm can and isnt a red basically a member to reduce DT.

[FortMan]

Doesn't /BLM provide you with sleepga at RDM62/BLM31 also?