[Ungerpurr]

I've never seen any of the rdms I've grouped with get aggro from convert -> cure4 -> regen during battle (unless you're main healer, of course - then it might be an issue). Debuffs, elemental debuffs, and dispel really don't draw all THAT much hate...also keep in mind that convert itself has little to no hate value, and if you get hate after the cure 4...well, that's the whole point in curing yourself, so that you'll have HP in the case you get hate, right?

To the elvaan with the whm sub...

You do realize that divine seal / cure 3 saves you only 46 MP every *10* minutes, right? Black mage sub saves you more than 46 MP over the course of 10 minutes (because of conserve MP job trait), even with the most minimalistic of casting.

Having a black mage sub will also (slightly) improve your convert ratio, at level 50 likely something like 20ish more MP over whm sub, bringing the necessary amount of MP that conserve MP has to save over the course of 10 minutes down to ~25 MP. You should give it a try, even if elvaan blm is a painful job to play.

[Venkelos]

I was only pointing out that as I have a WHM sub, that is what I do. It's the sub I prefer for a number of other reasons, but this is no subjob thread. I simply posted what I do when I convert, Divine Seal is very nice when you Convert. I'm not so shallow as to choose my sub based solely on Divine Seal. ^^

-Venk

[dirtyclown]

/whm brings quite a bit more to the table than divine seal. that being beside the point, i tend to save my divine seal for when my party needs it rather than using it for convert. i usually just Convert > Cure 3 > Regen and i don't worry too much about it afterward. another regen brings my hp close to my max mp with my mp gear on so i let it stay there.

[sushicide]

Have the pld heal you so he gets more hate.

[tdh]

Originally posted by sushicide
Have the pld heal you so he gets more hate.

I've been wondering about this. Could we just Convert mid-battle, and the PLD dump 2 CureIIIs on us? Or a CureIV and really solidify their hate? But depending on what we're fighting how much hate will we have really accumulated?

[sushicide]

You still convert after battle and cure yourself with a cure3, but as soon as another pull comes over let the pld cure4 you.

[MrADC]

At first, I never wanted to convert mid battle due to the risk of getting hit with an AOE with such low hp. But at my current level, I convert mid fight in order to maximize my mp and try to keep the xp chain going.

I normally sub blm. Before it's time for me to convert, I check the timer to see how much time is left before convert is ready. I'll rest up a bit of mp during the pull just to have enough to debuff the mob as the rest of the party starts to fight. After that, I put up stoneskin and make sure refresh is up. I then convert, use cure 3, and then try to drain for any more hp. For me, that's it. I try not to use a lot of mp to cure myself back up, I just use drain when the timer comes up and I'll maybe get a cure from the whm in between battles. I notify them before hand that curing me isn't necessary, which saves them that extra mp also. By the time I drain enough hp to bring me to full life, it's usually time to convert again. If drain is mostly getting resisted, then I'll cure myself to half life just to be safe. It works for me, but it usually scares the crap out of the other party members, even if they know how I play, lol.

So far, no convert deaths while using this method. The lowest I've ever converted so far while in xp was at 8hp lol. My only problem is making sure I equip my electrum rings before converting to make sure I get that extra 40mp. I forget that every now and then :/

[Deathguise]

Originally posted by MrADC
My only problem is making sure I equip my electrum rings before converting to make sure I get that extra 40mp. I forget that every now and then :/

Slip an equipment change into your Convert macro and it's solved. ^_^

[Ridill]

Originally posted by tdh
I've been wondering about this. Could we just Convert mid-battle, and the PLD dump 2 CureIIIs on us? Or a CureIV and really solidify their hate? But depending on what we're fighting how much hate will we have really accumulated?

Although, theoretically sound, it isn't too MP efficient. In my expierence as an Elvaan PLD partying with several RDM's, I've noticed that RDM's rarely draw hate so there isn't much of a need for a PLD to use MP to heal/draw hate from the RDM.

It's perfectly fine though when the PLD has additional MP to solidify their hate from other Hate-Happy jobs by throwing a cure towards the RDM.

But because of the "Oh shit" factor of Convert, I highly suggest that you don't assume every PLD will cure for you, and you should take it upon yourself to ensure your health. Otherwise...

The Red Mage uses Convert.
The Robber Crab uses Bubble shower.
The Red Mage takes 157 points of damage.
The Red Mage is defeated by the Robber Crab.
PLD:<Casting Spell> Cure III <Target> RDM
PLD:Oh shit...

[Patchinko]

The Red Mage in that story shouldn't have converted in range of the AOE.

That goes without saying, though.

[Heatherr]

Equip all MP + items, Convert + Cure IV, then Drain the rest of the HP back from the mobs. Good way to find out how much your Drains are doing.

Stoneskin is occationally used before convert if the situation is dangerous, otherwise, I dont bother (loooong cast time ). RDM is quite low on the hate list most times.

[Gman]

Originally posted by Patchinko
The Red Mage in that story shouldn't have converted in range of the AOE.

That goes without saying, though.

That crab bubble shower AOE has a particularly huge range. I found that out in Kuftal when I first went there to level off Robber Crabs (level 50 i think). I didn't die, but the mages were always getting nailed for huge damgage from that WS even though we were too far away from battle to see the battle animation. For example I was too far away to see crab use scissor guard, but it could still hit me with bubble shower... ridiculous.

Only time I ever took a convert death was when we were fighting Soldier Crawlers in nest and PLD lost hate just when I did convert, in that split second, it turned around and did its poison AOE at the melee right in my direction... DEAD.

Another time I came close was when I was farming Gobbues in Zi'tah, and I had stoneskin up, and used convert, just when Gobbue did silence to me. I knew stoneskin wouldnt last long, and silence would, so I turned around and ran for Boyhada zone. Just made it ^^

[Sohjai]

I always convert in battle. Convert after battle is a waste, b/c you are resting between battles, if you had only 100 MP left from last fight, you can easily get 2-3+ ticks on the average pull and for sometimes even fill up if theres nothing to pull. I let the puller know if convert is up so they can keep pulling even if am low on MP.

You don't need to convert every 10 min. You just do it when you absolutely need to, if you have enough MP why convert, right? If a RDM purposely waits for his/her convert at 200 MP not resting to use all MP then convert thats just dumb. The next fight could be a link and that Convert would of been much more useful when MP is most needed.

I usually just Cure3, regen, and drain after convert and never grabbed hate. I don't need 100% HP anyways. I would recommend stoneskin on AE mobs, but you should run out of AE area before you convert anyways. Also please don't convert w/ LOW MP while Poisoned. I have seen 2 RDM fall to the ground like that, I was just laughing my head off. =/

In good PTs i only convert about once every 30 min only b/c i spam some dmg spells. In bad ones, it's almost every 10 min =(..

thats just my .02

[Gman]

Originally posted by Sohjai
I usually just Cure3, regen, and drain after convert and never grabbed hate. I don't need 100% HP anyways. I would recommend stoneskin on AE mobs, but you should run out of AE area before you convert anyways.

A better strategy, and the one I use is to cast regen before converting, so it saves you from using that 15mp from your new man a pool. It's only 15mp but it adds up. I get pissed when I convert and 10 seconds later my refresh wears off... if I had known, I would have cast it pre-convert to save the MP. (I usually convert whenever I am below 100mp, so I still have room to cast if I need to)

[Ungerpurr]

Granted, I'm only level 29 now on rdm, but I'd think the best use of convert would be every 10 minutes. No matter how little of your MP the PT is using on a regular basis, if your convert is available, you should be doing your damnedest to nuke or heal yourself near to out of MP so that you can convert. If you're not using convert every 10 minutes, you're wasting potential MP, imho.