Refresh II / III ?

[Zempten]

I read this on another boards and it makes common sense for us to get another higher level of refresh with the WHM's regen II / III and raise II/III and protect II/III/IV and on and on.

So why is it that we do not get a refresh II at like level 60 or 70 or 75 since by then people have tons of tons of MP that would be hard to actually "refresh" with a 3 MP for 5 seconds ( I think it's 5 seconds )

[Xyphere]

It would make sense =/

[Jei]

look at what a 70rdm can already do right now with refresh 1 and i doubt if SE will ever give us refresh 2. will be nice to have one tho... refresh 1 just isn't quite enough for party at 70 anymore

[Zio]

yeah that would be nice. i dont have refresh yet but i have seen it in action in a 60 rdm taru and if u compare it to all the mp u waste...its nothing. we also need SE to give us advanced types to our other magics...u know, dia III, IV, Gravity II, diaga II, stoneskin II....(im not sure if some of those already exist as im still low lvl and hvent researched much yet). i only can see that our exclusive magics r pretty restricted...and phalanx is just so damn expensive! i could afford dispel with some effort....but ill never be able to buy phalanx

[Plenum]

Refresh II/III thats just wicked. I mean... It kinda sucks for us RDM becasue we don't have alot of "Special" Our Magic Only... WHM have tons like Rasie II/III...Protect IV... Reraise... Curga... alot of -ra spells. BLM too they have... Rasp, Choke, Drown, Tractor, -ga spells. Bards have Ballad, Paeon, Mardigal... We should get More RDM only spells...I mean i know we have en- spells and some other spells.. But I mean I would Really like Refresh II/III i mean.. wheres the love for the RDM. If WHM gets have Refresh too someday We should have II/III ^^

[6souls]

Originally posted by Zio
we also need SE to give us advanced types to our other magics...u know, dia III, IV, Gravity II, diaga II, stoneskin II....(im not sure if some of those already exist as im still low lvl and hvent researched much yet).

lvl 45 - Diaga 2
lvl 61 - Dia 3

[Arli]

an upgrade of the Refresh spell would be really, really nice, especially since we didn't really get much in the new patch. I know that alot of the RDMs who have been here for a while say RDMs already got a ton of stuff, making them a very important part of a team.

I for one agree, but I think we need a little more love at the higher levels. I would love to see a RDM only nuke. BLM obviously have the ancient spells, and WHM get Banish and later, Holy. RDMs get nothing. I'd love to see a nice short term massive damage over time, like an upgrade to Gravity. Maybe Graviton? 100 damage/sec for 10 seconds recast time 90 seconds?

Another improvement i'd like to see is our 1H sword skill bumped up to B+ or A- with access to the EX WS. I for one remember enjoying being able to contribute to a battle with blade as well as sorcery. I can dig us not doing as much damage as a WAR, but the melee damage we do at 40+ is pathetic. My LS WHM has better defense with holy breastplate and does more damage with his hammer because they get club as a B+ weapon.

I'd like to see the RDM develop into more of a support mage with sword specialty.

I don't mean to sound unreasonable, I love the class, but consider this my wishlist for RDM for 2004.

[Apple Pie]

Rather than having Refresh II, I hope the amount of MP recovered by Refresh is skill dependent. For example,

Enhancing magic skill:

120(LV41): 3MP/3sec, 150MP in 150sec
160(LV53): 4MP/3sec, 200MP in 150sec
200(LV62): 5MP/3sec, 250MP in 150sec
240(LV72): 6MP/3sec, 300Mp in 150sec

Then, having RDM only spells is good, especially among Enfeebling and Enhancing ones.

However, I'm against the fact that we should have A for one-handed sword or RDM EX WS. It simply makes us overpowered and we may even see the PT consisting of 6 RDMs in the future. I'm afraid if it's not something Square ENIX wants.

[Wafflesrevenge]

is there a Refreshga? that would seem to make the most sense...

[Plenum]

Wafflesrevenge is there a Refreshga? that would seem to make the most sense...

hah that does sound good and what Apple Pie suggests too. I just want the RDM's Mana Regen ability to be uber and a ... one of those things like.. for a whm " I love whm becasue of curga" or "I love blm casue they can nuke" ... i want ours to be "I love rdm becasue of mana regen!"

[PTT]

Originally posted by Apple Pie
and we may even see the PT consisting of 6 RDMs in the future. I'm afraid if it's not something Square ENIX wants.

Hey, it worked in FF1, with 4. ^^

[Wafflesrevenge]

Hey, it worked in FF1, with 4. ^^

Old skool!

[Apple Pie]

Then, we don't need fighters anymore and we'll see more and more of them waiting for hours or even days in Jeuno ?R(;?L„t?M)ƒm

[Silverquick]

Here are some things I thought of right off the top of my head on another post.

Well One thing that might help outside the Refresh upgrade would be stronger and more improved versions of the Debuffs that are Rdm only.

Maybe a Gravity II that drops opponent evasion by 10% and does damage. Or the spell Demi, like in FF3/6. That when used dropped the opponents Hps by 25%. All of which could be Rdm Only.

These are just some Ideas of course, and at this time assuming the Level caps remain the same, we really don't need anything.

[Discordian]

I think something that S-E needs to work on are Earings that may actually do something to my benifit. The only ones I see in the AH give INT+1 and are way too expensive for their own good. Yes some more rdm only spells would be good. B+ sword skill would be nice.

Anyway however it pans out I'm still loving rdm.