RDM meele damage

[MagicH4t]

Hello all!

Im a level 30war with 10 sam and 5 drk and to tell you the truth i cant decide what to be!!!!!!. I have been really consedirng paldin but i like to do damage!.

So my question is how is RDM damage wise i know its not like a drk but how good is it? I LOVE rdm swords shields and af armor. I LOVE the fact they can cast (Samurai cant cast ) i love the fact that they can find partys my only concern is how will they be in pvp i mean. Can a red mage one v one a drk???

[PhoR]

1) rdm dmg is great in low to mid levels, but very poor in the endgame compared to damage oriented classes such as DRK

2) pvp is not going to be pk.. meaning you're not going to be killing each other. They haven't really released much about it, but I assume it will be something like "see who's party or alliance can gain the most conquest points in an allotted amount of time" or something to that extent. So it will not matter what Job you are, so much as how balanced your party is. (if pvp was pk oriented, a pack of 6 rng/war would be utterly unstoppable, but it's not going to be pk)

stick with melee classes if you want to do lots of dmg. drk seems to be more your cup of tea.



ps.. the reason rdm are such good soloers in the endgame is because of all the status effecting and healing they can do. They can solo very well, BUT it will NOT be fast soloing in any right. They will just outlast their enemies.


hope that helps you out!


have fun

[MagicH4t]

hehe id be drk but i hate teh slowness of the weapons and the fact that scythes werent used in real life combat (weird reason i know).

I like samurai but they seem to be weak still. i mean b/c of no multi hit ws. But i love how sam look.

I mean im not tlaking massive dmg per hit i just wana be able to 1v1 a drk or 1v1 a drg or 1v1 a sam and win.

I love RDM WAR PLD Shields/Swords. low delay and look bad ass *_*

I have a whm alt and its kool to be able to heal urself and i like casting black magic but i like attacking. so pewp is rdm meele less than a PLD?????

I mean if i can cast poison on something and just beat it wiht my sword till it dies id be pretty happy :spin:

I like big numbers on text box :X but sam cant get them only drk can so i dont really care that much.

In Ac2 I played a sorcerer but i always wished i was a defender because i could take hits lol..

[Discordian]

At level 35 the damage I do with a sword has been fairly good. The biggest thing is that I've noticed that whenever I upgrade my sword I really feel the difference. Maybe as a rule of thumb save up and buy every other sword that you can get. You can ussually make your money back anyways by selling the old one after you buy the new.

The problem is that in the initial stage of a new area since your sword skill is basicly a B rating compaired to warriors, paladins, and drk's, ect that have A- to A+ rating you won't be hitting the target very often and you won't get a lot of skillchains in. However if you wait 3 levels you should be able to participate as well.

The nice thing about this is that you can still cast the spells that the enemy is weakest against. Typicly Ice, Fire, and Thunder. If you ride a skillchain and burst then more the better since at level 35 or so you will be using level 1 attack spells while the blm uses level 2s for mroe damage. Still, 70 points of damage on a spell isn't to be sniffed at when the melees are doing 10-15.

[PhoR]

magicH4T, if you like playing SAM, then did you read up on the new patch changes? Because now the "charge TP" skill gives you 300 tp instead of 100 over 10 seconds.

also a few of their weapon skills have been bumped up in dmg, and also changed positions on the renkei chart to be more effective.

Surely now that the lvl cap has been extended, they've been given a multi hit WS, or will be given one soon.

Or as another suggestion, why not just stick with war? you could sub samurai, and be a weapon skilling machine at high levels. And with Great Ax's being upped in effectiveness for War in the last patch(?), what could be better?


about your comment "i just wana be able to 1v1 a drk or 1v1 a drg or 1v1 a sam and win" i'm not really sure what you mean by that, but from what i've pried out of dev's about pvp, you're not going to be killing each other. Instead it will be some sort of contest between parties. (who can get the most conquest points in a certain amount of time.. comes to mind as a possiblility)


hope that helps your decision!

have fun

[MagicH4t]

Originally posted by PhoR
magicH4T, if you like playing SAM, then did you read up on the new patch changes? Because now the "charge TP" skill gives you 300 tp instead of 100 over 10 seconds.

also a few of their weapon skills have been bumped up in dmg, and also changed positions on the renkei chart to be more effective.

Surely now that the lvl cap has been extended, they've been given a multi hit WS, or will be given one soon.

Or as another suggestion, why not just stick with war? you could sub samurai, and be a weapon skilling machine at high levels. And with Great Ax's being upped in effectiveness for War in the last patch(?), what could be better?


about your comment "i just wana be able to 1v1 a drk or 1v1 a drg or 1v1 a sam and win" i'm not really sure what you mean by that, but from what i've pried out of dev's about pvp, you're not going to be killing each other. Instead it will be some sort of contest between parties. (who can get the most conquest points in a certain amount of time.. comes to mind as a possiblility)


hope that helps your decision!

have fun

I like how sam looks but its rather boring right now point blank i want to cast spells and be ok at meele.

[Beener]

If you want some melee at low lvls and casting, go redmage.

If you want good melee and healing/support casting, try Paladin.

I think ninja has ninjutsu, which is like spells, but not MP based.

[MagicH4t]

HMM ninja are to expensive for my taste and there really just tanks to bland for me same with paladin.

I have war at level 30 would that help my rdm sword damage at all?

What i want to do is pull out my sword and fight stuff then in the middle of the fights cast my spells and stuff that do dmg what class does this?

[Macht]

If you are looking for a damage dealer that casts spells then I think you want DRK. With a mag class subbed it'll give you a decent boost in mp so you have a decent amount to casts spells with too.

[MagicH4t]

wat about rdm/war or drk/war which is betta for spells?

the strategy guide i have Bashed the shit out of rdm/war but it didnt have level 70 invovled

[Discordian]

If you want more attack then you shouldn't be looking at rdm/war. You want rdm/drk. That gives you more attack, however less defense.

rdm/drk is something I've been cooking in the back of my mind. You get drain and aspir at lower levels than blm but you do not get access to cool spells such as warp and stonega.

[Apple Pie]

I'm not sure which is better but here's what you get for combat abilities when you choose either WAR or DRK as your sub-job.

RDM/WAR
LV20: Defense Bonus I
LV30: Berserk
LV50: Defender
LV50: Double Attack
LV60: Attack Bonus I
LV62: Vorpal Blade (WS)
LV70: Warcry

RDM/DRK
LV20: Attack Bonus I
LV20: Drain
LV30: Last Resort
LV40: Aspir
LV60: Souleater
LV60: Attack Bonus II
LV62: Absorb MND
LV62: Vorpal Blade (WS)
LV66: Absorb CHR
LV70: Absorb VIT
LV74: Absorb AGI

I prefer RDM/DRK since choosing DRK as my sub will increase my MP a little and Souleater works cool with Stoneskin. I won't choose both for leveling in PT but I may try those when I go solo.

[TokeN]

errr... doesnt teh subjob only go up to level 37? Also if u wanna deal damage and do Melee thats pretty hard to decide. I would go with RDM/WAR but ur MP will be below average and u wont be good at meleeing either. DRKs only really have draining spells and later on RDMs lean over to just mages category. So i have no idea what a good choice would be. I would go paladin. Theres alot to keep you busy with that job though.

[Discordian]

The reason why he only went to level 74 is because absorb agi is a level 36 drk spell. Its something I've thought about. Just been too busy leveling my rdm to do anything. I wish my leveling group would slow down, then I could play with other jobs.

[Beener]

if you REALLY REALLY want to do great nukes and great melee damage, there's a secret job you could get that would work.

it's called GM. you have to complete the "Square-Enix Application" quest to get that job. i hear it's a toughy.