[wrongfeifong]

Corsair is pretty fun and more in control then brd does over the party.

off topic:
Maybe just my server, but everyone "love" brd, i never found their usefulness even with 2x March oppose to having an extra damage dealer and corsair does the pulling.

My fastest xp is actually whenever i start pulling as a corsair but it really hurt my pocket as i burn 2 stacks of bullets within an hour.

On topic:
tarurtaru using a gun is the best, whenever you use slug shot, your whole body get push BACK! if you didn't notice! Which make it so cute.

[Firewind]

Double March depends on the party setup. If your party has lots of two handed weapon users then Double March will be more useful than +Attack

[Armando]

Am I the only one who thought of Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann when I read this topic title? >_>

Nope

Double March depends on the party setup. If your party has lots of two handed weapon users then Double March will be more useful than +Attack

Why two-handers? Haste and Attack affect both one-handers and two-handers the same way.

[Firewind]

Haste a Dark Knight and see how much their damage goes up by.

Leave haste off a Dark Knight and watch Bards outparse them.

[VZX]

Originally Posted by TDbank24

Nothing but guns on Ranger would be mega fail. Honestly Ranger is more suited for bow and arrow. Especially at low levels, although guns are solid, bow and arrow just packs a little more punch mainly because straight up, bow and arrow strikes faster.

I can only think of 1 instance that i'd use a gun over a bow to aquire amazing numbers. Like on a Dynamis Lord or something. The Culverin + 1 is a freaking beast, but has horrible delay. The delay isn't a problem on DL however, because you're only using your weapon skills, barrage, and 2hr.

Where is your snapshot merit?

Soon aiming time from HF+1 is the same as Obow's 4 years ago.
Also, I can definitely say there's nothing marksmanship can't do if a bow can do, if not better.

[Malacite]

Originally Posted by Firewind

Haste a Dark Knight and see how much their damage goes up by.

Leave haste off a Dark Knight and watch Bards outparse them.

Someone isn't playing their job right >- >

[Yellow Mage]

Firewind, Armando's point is that, generally, Haste is equally preferable to both one-handers and two-handers. Attack+ is not some miraculous boon to somebody just because they use a one-handed weapon. Just ask any Thief why they love their Raparee harness so much.

[cadoxangelus]

<3 Raparee so so much <3

[TDbank24]

Originally Posted by VZX

Where is your snapshot merit?

Soon aiming time from HF+1 is the same as Obow's 4 years ago.
Also, I can definitely say there's nothing marksmanship can't do if a bow can do, if not better.

Well then, you've never seen or played Ranger to full potential then. No matter what they do to boost Marks they'll never be better than Archery. Ever.

[Mog]

Originally Posted by TDbank24

Well then, you've never seen or played Ranger to full potential then. No matter what they do to boost Marks they'll never be better than Archery. Ever.

Define better.

For simple zerg fights, guns can easily outparse bow. And like you said, culverin(+1) with cannon shell, while you're not going to be firing much at all, is probably one of the most destructive weapons in the game. Great for when you have icarus wing and it's a really short fight.

However, I do agree that bow is really nice for just standard purposes. I use my Eurytos' bow 99% of the time, but if there's ever the need to zerg really fast, I'll be switching to a gun.

It all depends what you're doing. You can't say marksmanship is never better than Archery. Can't compare apples and oranges like that.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

Originally Posted by TDbank24

Well then, you've never seen or played Ranger to full potential then. No matter what they do to boost Marks they'll never be better than Archery. Ever.

If there's anyone around here that's played RNG to full potential, it would be VZX. He's done a fair share of translation and getting the math of this game out there to players, so I wouldn't be questioning him on this.

I personally wouldn't use Bow in Dynamis or Limbus, nor would I use Gun that often. I'd be using Crossbow mostly. Zerg fights Gun is king and Bow isn't a bad choice. General purpose DD and prolonged fights, Bow is the more practical choice. Solo, Campaign and EXP, Crossbow brings more versatility and support to RNG, though Bow is still good in EXP.

To me, it sounds like you've not been playing RNG to potential. Now that you're back in the game, you should be seriously be looking into Snapshot Merits and making heavy use of Velocity Shot.

[Belcrono]

I've been wanting to level ranger since the day I started this game for the first time more than 6 years ago, but I decided to taru BLM to begin with. I deleted that character after hitting 75 and now I am back, got SCH to 75 and just began lvling RNG. I love it so far, got 30 yday and Barrage is just amazing. Haven't gotten the opportunity to try holy bolts yet because they usually go for about 14-15k per bolt quiver, but last two jumped and sold for 30k+ and I'm not gonna pay stupid prices just because there are few of them for a day or two.

Anyway, I have capped marksman skill for my lvl and I've decided it will be the route to take for me. Now, I hear you guys saying I will be a gimp joke if I don't level bow as well(I started using both, but I only ended up gimping both skills instead) and okay I accept that. I guess I will have to level both then, but can someone explain why I will be gimp, because so far all I can see is sometimes I can't use demon arrows when it might be good in a few certain PTs.

My plan was using xbow/gun just depending on what packs more punch or serves the PT best at that lvl. Aside from the 55-67 lvls I can't really see why bow is so important. Could you guys help me see the light maybe so at least I don't feel stupid for just doing it because "people generally think so". And for the record, I really don't have time to camp for things like Vali's bow. O-bow seems less of a longshot since droprates are better and poptimes just seem better in general.

I mean, I understand that having all skills capped etc is needed if I want to be the best that I can be, but being frowned upon and seen as a mega gimp etc for not having bow.. that I don't see.

Thanks in advance guys!

[VZX]

Originally Posted by Belcrono

Anyway, I have capped marksman skill for my lvl and I've decided it will be the route to take for me. Now, I hear you guys saying I will be a gimp joke if I don't level bow as well(I started using both, but I only ended up gimping both skills instead) and okay I accept that. I guess I will have to level both then, but can someone explain why I will be gimp, because so far all I can see is sometimes I can't use demon arrows when it might be good in a few certain PTs.

Demon arrow is fine. I don't remember any mob that has especially high attack among the other mobs around their level. Acid bolt however, is extremely useful whenever your PT can have it.

My plan was using xbow/gun just depending on what packs more punch or serves the PT best at that lvl. Aside from the 55-67 lvls I can't really see why bow is so important. Could you guys help me see the light maybe so at least I don't feel stupid for just doing it because "people generally think so". And for the record, I really don't have time to camp for things like Vali's bow. O-bow seems less of a longshot since droprates are better and poptimes just seem better in general.

Holy bolt generally don't work well against colibri, which people nowadays will face it from early 50s to early 60s, since it's basically a RDM/RDM mob (MDB II trait from RDM).

You definitely don't need bow to level. However, your alternative to bow is Musketeer gun+1 (whose delay is very close to normal long bow delay), which is slightly expensive in term of ammo price.

[Raydeus]

Off topic, but every time I read the tittle I still read it as "Tarutaru (SD) Gundam!" And immediately think about a Taru PLD (with a gun.)

But then I see it's in the RNG part of the forum.

[ShadowHolyFlyingDragon]

I'd say if you want to play a gunman on RNG, go for it. Guns are a FKN blast. I love the sound they make. If I woulda thought about it, I would played with guns sooner than 60, but I was going with what everyone else always said that guns sucked. And granted, there are much more uber ways to do dmg on RNG pre 60, but to be honest, I wish I woulda checked out gun more instead of listening to everyone. So really, I guess my advice to you would be test it out for yourself and see if the fun factor invovled is worth your time. Do you feel like being at the top of your game or are you more interested in enjoying yourself. Heh.. even tho this post is 2 months old and you prolly leveld COR to 75 by now